Reptile & Amphibian Forums

I am putting together my website and will have a section on the natural history and origin of morphs for the sinaloan and nelsons, but dont know much about who produced the frist albino nelson and when. It would also be nice if someone out there
had some locality data for them, but thats probably asking alot.

Any info would be appreciated,
Vinny
-----
“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

It is generally accepted that Doug Moody of Florida produced the first albino Nelson's in the early 90's. This came from breeding two normal-appearing snakes together. There were a few other people who bred normal-appearing Nelson's who had the same result around the same time period.

Very few mexican milks of any kind are imported, most Pueblans can be traced back to the few that were brought into this country in the mid-80s. Therefore it is unlikely that you will find any locality data on Nelson's.

Tim

Third Eye

Doug Moody of South Carolina not Florida. He bred a pair of normal Nelsoni and sold the offspring to a few people. I believe Don Wilson of Seven Generations Reptiles, no longer around, got a pair or two. The next year Doug bred the same original adults and this time they threw a pair of albinos. Doug knew the babies he had the year before are now 66% possible hets. He tried to get the babies back but was unsuccessful as far as I know. This is why a few other breeders had albino Nelsoni a couple of years after Doug produced his. This is the story I got from Doug as best I can remember it.

Thanks for the info about the nelsons. Is it the consensus that the albino sinaloan is a cross from the albino nelsons? any idea who did it first? Seems to be a bit of a complicated story.

(Beautiful snake by the way.)

Cheers,
Vinny
-----
“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Thanks for the location correction, HDEAN.

There are no pure albino Sinaloans. As far as who cross-bred Sinaloans and Nelsons first, that would be impossible to find out. If people were doing it, they probably weren't admitting it.

True Nelson's were not that easy to come by in the early 90s. I bought pairs from Applegate for $200 per pair. Single female Sinaloans were easy to find at $35 each. I'm sure a heck of a lot of people took a "shortcut" and cross-bred the two.

At the time albino Nelson's were going for $2K, so there was much temptation to breed an albino male to normal female Sinaloans and make hets, which were selling for $1K each.

Below is one of my Applegate Nelson's, she is now 12 years old and still a good breeder.

Tim

Third Eye