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Is it a black rat or black rat cross maybe? I bought it at a show. It is probabaly around 6 months old now?

What do you think?

Looks like a jungle corn to me. That's a cross between a corn snake and (I think) a gopher snake.

It's funny, because my daughter's corn snake is named "Tia".

Enjoy yours...

Walt

>>Looks like a jungle corn to me. That's a cross between a corn snake and (I think) a gopher snake.
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>>It's funny, because my daughter's corn snake is named "Tia".
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>>Enjoy yours...
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>>Walt

I don't see king snake in that snake. (cal kingXcorn is Jungle)
I'm not sure but I think a super corn may be gopherXcorn??
don't really think that either..nose not blunt enough.
Possibly a "rootbeer" (emoryiXguttata)
but definitely corn in there somewhere.
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I doubt that it is even Emory blood in it. Check out this link. tell me they do not look similiar.http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=60&de=380872
Dwight Goods ad for Black rats

Title to above is supposed to say: There is no king blood in this snake.!
I actually have a pair. Here is the female. I do think they may have corn blood but not Emory or King

A corn x ratsnake (black perhaps) hybrid I have seen many that look almost just like that. Could be an abberantly colored young ratsnake but I would say hybrid.

Horridus@aol.com

That looks like a 100% cornsnake to me, I don't see anything obsoleta-ish about it.
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San Antonio, Texas

check out this link.
Dwight Good's ad

Looks like a normal Wild caught corn. Sorry no neat secrets to it in my opinion. Just a corn.

Later Jason

I say hypo corn.... but the slightly bald head maks me think it has some obsoletus in it......
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

If it was pure cornsnake, wouldn't it have more of a spearpoint on top of the head? It looks like it has corn in it but also obsoleta. IMO.

I don't think it is pure anything. I look at the head color, background coloring, and the lack of spear point pattern on its head makes me think it is a Great Plains x Gray Rat.

Where did you get the snake?

They were grossly misrepresented to say the least. I bought the pair knowing they were not what they were said to be, because I really liked the male.I do not want to say what I think they are ,as I do not want to influence the replys. Sorry for the pic can't seem to get rid of it.(the pic NOT the cat.)

n/t

Walt

These are siblings from a wild bred Okeechobee Co. FL corn, It is my opinion that roughly 50% of the hatchlings were fertilized by a male Yellow Ratsnake and the other half from a normal cornsnake, you can see the similarities to the lighter animal in the photo and your animal, the head pattern is classic obsoleta x guttata. You can also see the head morphology is different from a normal corn. As they grow you will probably see them turn into typical Black Rat X Corn hybrids. Just something to think about....

I was going to be obnoxious and say that the snake looks like a central Florida corn snake from maybe the east coast or Okeechobee. By the way where did you get you corns from?? What is you name?? Just curious if you are somebody I have met.

Later Jason

This snake illustrates a debate that started many years ago when the topic of Hybridization first rose as a possibility. We worried then that in crossing species of snake we might one day turn the process of identification on it's head as too many hybrids would go into the market - loosing their identities as they passed from hand to hand.

Too many snakes these days are so produced and look so much like one or the other parent that their uniqueness is lost. Hybrid is bred to hybrid producing even more blurred lines.

The snake discussed here looks like many reds I have collected in South Florida. The grey head is meaningless as I have caught dozens like that. The head pattern looks a little funky, but again I have seen wild like that.

IMO this is a typical Corn snake...But then, who knows what might have been bred into it generations ago?

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I agree with you and am on the same side of the fence as you with the hybrid debate. For the record both my snake pictured above and the snakes that Horridus has pictured are WC in origin. His where from eggs laid by a WC female corn and mine was from a collector in S Florida.

The big difference is that his are from a natural cross and mine is from some loser letting a hybrid go on purpose or I or the store I got her from was lied to. When I bred my animal this year to a albino corn het for hypo she dropped eggs that hatched albinos and hypos. So my snake does not have simple beginnings at all.

I am hoping that I was lied to and my snake was not a WC. But from what I was told by the store I bought her from she was picked up by a field collector south of Miami. When I and another guy looked into this snake and asked around we where told that there is a area in the Ft Lauderdale area that some of the snakes looked like this. I hope not.

Later Jason

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