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mine is the california mountain king.....why?well they are the best and you know it;........thats why... "

Hell ya! Zonata Multicincta! Can't mess with the California Mountain King...
Here's mine, look at her colors.
You love it, you know it, you want one, keep lookin'.

well mountain kings are the best tasting anyway LGG all the way baby why for the same reason the grass is green and the sky is blue it just is,,,,,,,thomas

love those BIG easterns!

Other than my GBKs, I love my FL kings and I haven't had him for very long, but my new Eastern. I just wonder if my Eastern will get as big as Thomas Davis's. KINGSNAKES RULE!!! Derek

ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE

Grayband. Beautiful, variable, fun and challenging to find in the field.

Got to agree with that one! Are you going to be out there next May/June??? I will be there around the end of May with "Antelope" (Todd Hughes). We did real well last year and had a blast.

Love them GBK's but EASTERNS RULE!!!

Zee
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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

I am going to go I'm just not sure when. Could be dark of the moon in May or June, not sure which yet. I may also go dark of the moon in August or Sept. Or might do both a trip in the summer and one in the fall.

Thats easy the one and only Eastern "King of them ALL" Kingsnake. They are the complete package with size, color, pattern and overall toughness rolled into one mean rat wreckin' machine!

Keith

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np
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Peter Jolles
East Coast Colubrids
www.eastcoastcolubrids.com

big eastern king...
just like Keith's!

henry VIII
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0.1.0 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0.0 snow corn het hypo,anery,amel
1.0.0 amel corn unknown hets(4.5ft long)
1.0 sinacorn
0.0.2 snapping turtles
0.0.1 3 lined mud turtle
1.1 kenyan sand boas

i like mexican blacks. because they dont waste time on glitter and glamour.

Which is your favorite???
I mean come on.....I like them all, each for a different reason.
Easterns....just cause
Cali Mtn kings.....Beauty
Floridas....helluva eaters
Mexicans.....thier shine
thayeri......variety
I mean the list just keeps going.I myself dont think I could have a favorite.
Toby
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www.Wood-N-Snakes.com

Nothin' like some six foot Eastern Kingsnakes!!! Too bad zonatas don't get that big - they are nice! But bigger is better when it comes to kings: (First pic is a 6 foot male, second pic a 5.5 foot plus, male, third pic is a 6 foot 4" monster!)

Easterns rule!

Zee

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"I am an expert on everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn!" -Carsten "Zee" Zoldy-

BIGGEST and BADDEST!!!!!!!!
zonata are nice but let's see one do this...........
eating in the hand while deep in shed.

Like these Thayeri.....












And....You can SEE why, but to each his own....
John Lassiter

for variability-goini...and interesting status/or lack thereof-sticticeps and again,goini...and well,because they're weird/challenging to find/continue to elude me on herp trips-rhombomaculata.

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That is/was my only holdback from 2004......She will be up to size to breed in 2007......I can't wait. I love the 'keyholed' saddles she has.....
John Lassiter

a very good start, you know i'm a eastern lovin fool, but like i said b/4 i never seen a mexicana i did'nt like, Good-Luck in '06 and '07

HEHEH! Easy, for variability, easiness of care and plain to wild, the desert/speckled/mbk...all the same snake or 3 subs, however you want to take it...baddest range of them all and prob'ly the progenetor of 'em all! I do like the gbk's also but that's another story!
Todd Hughes

beautiful snakes,todd...those variable kings are so aptly named,for obvious reasons....hey i am curious about your progenitor theory,and would like to hear you expound on it sometime-maybe this thread is a little light-hearted in nature for you to want to delve into that right now...but i guess it is based on geography/the species coming up thru mexico over time-?...also i wonder if it's coincidence that if those are the oldest of today's populations/subspecies,that they also generally tend to be among the smallest,compared to their most(literally speaking) distant 'immediate relatives'(i.e. same species) the nominate and flordidana;and to a lesser degree,californiae....in other words,smaller=better(?) as far as succeeding long term as a species....a case of 'the shrinking kingsnakes'.

I like the up through Mexico theory, and I think all kings adapted in shape size and color/patterns to best survive in their selected habitats. Let's do another thread later 'cause it's been done before but I like to revisit them sometimes to advance the theories and get more perspective. My splendys and holbrookys tend to share characteristics in my neck of the woods so to keep with the nomenclature I say specks and deserts only when I know they don't overlap.
Todd Hughes

Shame on you, you have actually set foot on sacred West Texas soil and you are still saying a getula is your favorite! Once you actually catch an alterna you will see the light!

If I hadn't seen it with my own weeping eyes, I would have said they didn't exist! LOL! Believe me, they are #1 on my hit list and I burned a few thousand miles last season only to see Zee catch 4 in 23 hours! Hey Zee, do you have a little Irish in ye? I have had gbk's on my mind ever since I saw the grayband forum and have indeed trod on God's own land. I plan on becoming one with the Bend this year and gettin' a few of my own!
Todd Hughes

Hi

I definitely have 3 favorites. Mt Kings(pyromelana and zonata)for their striking color combination and elegance and the thayeri for their unbelievable variability and beauty. Even some of my non-herper friends say "WOW!!!" and/or "OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH. . .AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!" when I show them these.

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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

PLEASE! write a book so i can learn how to pump my snakes up! Those are about the most robust and healthiest snakes i ever seen. Great pics of gorgeous animals!

Hi

Thanks for the compliment. I really don't think that I'm doing anything different and I use the accepted regimen. I guess the key is keeping them healthy without getting them fat and not worrying if it skips a meal. Not enough material to make a book eh? hehe. Thanks again.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Love that Okeetee Thayeri in the top pic......LOL
But the Baubel Thayeri at the bottom is out of this world....it looks nearly green and the aberrant pinstripes makes it even more unique.....You gotta produce some like that....When will that happen Jonel????? This year? Next?......I am asking because I want some......LOL
John Lassiter

Hi John

Thank but I don't consider the one pictured as an "okeetee" like animal. There was some in 05 that would definitely surpass that animal. What I liked about the pictured animal was that it was a nice clean yellow orange female with a nice clover leaf head pattern. That's why I kept it. The abberant green animals are still a work in progress and in its infancy. I will try to incorporate the pattern to my oranges in the future since these abberants also have orange genetics. That particular male pictured did darken a bit but still have an overall greenish cast reminicent of a very light greeri in color. I think would be ready in 07 and I'm planning to breed him to an orange pinstriped animal that produced for the first time last year(posted with eggs on my other post). Well see what I'll get so wish me luck. Thanks and take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

you gotta love the precious little elapsoides!

I just wish more people worked with them. Ric Blair has a nice collection, I have an '05 pair from Bass Lake from Ric and I LoVE them. Now I just need to save enough money to buy a million more!
-Phil

I've always loved the big chain kings, and it doesn't hurt for the fact that I live in a state (Va.) where they are native.

Steve

I love my California Kingsnake. He's a good eater and has a good disposition. I bought him because I fell in love with him at a pet store. However, if I didn't have him, I'd be looking at one or two of other species.

The first likely choice would be a thayeri. The Leonis phase of this snake is immensely appealing to me. I'd enjoy creating a display cage that would be worthy of the beauty of these animals.

The second likely choice would be a big eastern kingsnake. I like big snakes as long as they are even tempered and small enough for me to handle alone. A six and a half foot eastern kingsnake would be an impressive animal to have. I like snakes with some "heft" to them, and this kind of animal would have that feel.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

NO PIC..........MT KINGS.........BEST FROM THE WEST

THANKS.......FOR THE SHOUT OUT...I ENJOY ALL THE PICS FROM YOU GUYS AND GIRLS............I LUV IT

It basically IS an eastern king, sharing all the same fine qualities, but the mystery of that darn patternless trait fascinates me to (hopefully!) no end...
I think there is much yet to be discovered with this type that provides just that much more incentive to selective breed, experiment and discover than most of the other eastern king types. With all the same satisfaction of maintenance.
I would like to see the day when, through DNA, selective refinement or whatever we are able to say there is a true GOINI, as described, and preserve the name for Goins.

Very well said, it would be nice to get to the bottom of the "goini" issue.

...do you think as I do that what Neil and Allen described as goini was indeed an intergrade??
Out of the few they described (less than a dozen?) was there a patternless one?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

not sure if you're asking jetzen specifically,but yeah i agree with you mark-and this led to some confusion a while back for me when their taxonaomic status was debated here...from what i gather from several studies i've read on them,the 'purest' goini are the patternless ones,and perhaps also the ones with striping tendencies-not the ones with the actual blotched pattern,though the original type specimen was indeed blotched-in my opinion,just showing influence of the nominate easterns from the north/northeast of goini range.

I do believe they described the "Goini" from blotched intergrades, with the understanding from locals, preserved specimens and road kill that they had indeed found something that amounted to more than those simple intergrades. The patternless is the key to it not being an intergrade, as this trait does not show up in anything around it, except maybe the patternless type of speckled, which might actually be the intergrade with Goini!(and a beautiful king as well)

my fav are thayeri because they are never the same. i have five of them now.they are all 05's and are eating 2-3 pinks a week each. they are easy to handle and they don't musk.my wife took away the check book after the last two i bought-hahahaha

As you may have seen there are many of us on the Mexicana Forum with the same disease.....Thayeri (Mexicana) addiction.....
A twelve step program couldn't keep me clean......LOL
I have about 30 of them......Should have a hundred or so after eggs hatch this year.......Fingers Crossed!!!!!!!

Sorry to use the same pics, but they are all I have until the middle of March when things warm up around here....
John Lassiter

i hope to have thirty one day. i grabbed up two in daytona.and a few around town