It's funny how the different rat snake species can be such different sizes. I'm sure you're right about my little helena - she's just naturally small and slim but very healthy and lively. So how many snakes do you have altogether? By the way, one thing I've been wondering is is there any way of looking at people's profiles on this site, like on other sites? You put your details in but then don't seem to be able to read anyone else's. It would be interesting to read a bit about the people posting.