Thanks very much, Bert - I've learned something today. I can see why people like Asian ratsnakes so much - the ones in your links are amazing - especially in the last link. I should have looked more carefully at the end of the Latin name, as I had found this link before in my search for bamboo ratsnakes - http://www.ratsnakefoundation.org/modules/xcgal/thumbnails.php?album=21. Thanks again and good luck with yours - I like your mandarin ratsnake too.