well, i went to the show in raleigh during the second day and picked up a pair of satanics. i wanted either a pair of satanics or a blue panther. there was a real nice male panther for 250. but i talked the lady at G&G down to 140 for the pair of satanics. they look real good. plus the only other satanics their ware at LLL and they looked aweful, not to mention that they were 150 each. ill post pics.