i agree with you, but its the fact that these lizards are beautiful. id definately buy another chilean dwarf if i ever saw one again, and as for the amevias, as i said theyre finally coming back after being out of the herp world for a few years. youre right about the handling, mine was horrible, but in a 55 gallon with a lot of hides, and a few live plants he was amazing, and he had almost as much personality as my ackie monitors do.