In that previous message I said I thought that Jerry was annoyed with me. I guess I misinterpreted his responses...he has been trying to help me. Maybe I'm just so frustrated I'm irrational. Is it understandable though...right? I'm a very new herper and I appreciate all the help from all who respon and all who will respond in the future. Jerry - thank you for all your help too. I will continue to contact you and everyone else at this site with all the questions I have.