I have a male conspic but not a female at the moment. I do have an extensive mandarin population and have friends that deal with conspics. Personally, I've had success with 60. 65 is probably pushing it a bit but I've continuously have put my mandarins down at 50 without any ill effects. Split the difference (55) and you'll be fine. Good luck to you. I know you from the milk forum and would love to get some pales and hypo stryper reds from you.