was using a different forum but its been dead for lately and saw this one and it looks like you guys know what your talking about lol, right now i have a few southern alligator lizards 1 big old male with a stubby tail, GATOR i think he is prob over 5 years old now, and another young male who is 1.5 yrs old and he is already at 14.5 inches! and also a beatiful red female! im going to try and post pics