but more about mine. 9 healthy - about 1 month out - all eaten at least once (most weigh around 12-13 g, one around 9g). mine was an outbreeding as much as i could fashion in the circumstances and i have been going through some holotype literature. I have a couple of hatchlings of the milksnake phase that are very interesting to me. nuchal stripes in one that i had always envisioned as being mexicana but the holotype suggestion there are instances of such things in the wild. the second has some lateral patterning in the first band on not band white area. For those that have been in the tharyei biz for a bit - are there chracters that you used to see that you no longer see? Also, there was a Shannon Brown animal (already sold) posted on here with spots between bands?