Thanks Rich....

Those oreganus look VERY different than the ones I grew up with in the Bay Area...Most of the ones I saw up there had the black tops on their heads, and that was one of the things that was throwin' me off.

Also, the pattern just looked scutulatus to me (particularly the midsection).

Very different than any oreganus I've seen....

Isn't that an integrade zone between o.oreganus and o.helleri?

-Kris