Thanks! I knew someone loved a freek! I looked that up in Pritchards book Ency.of Turtles. "Each Carapace Scute can cover several Carapace bones", consequently "much sliding about of scutes over bones occures as a turtle grows" PP p.30. If you have this book this page is pretty neat. See what you can learn from a freeky turtle pic.....IF you get on the turtle/tortoise forum! See ya in Daytona the 2013 eggs have started arriving this week. Of cource I wount count them until they hatch! Vic