Yes expensive lessons indeed. I think i spent $8000 on Easterns from a well known breeder. Two females died & as i said in my other post all the others bar one male have gone out in trade.

The only way i will try with Easterns again is when Alan B breeds some truly healthy unrelated animals. He truly cares about this problem & is trying to do something about it. Plus he is a top guy.

It is a shame the authorities involved will not let some legally wild caught animals into the private sector for responsible breeders to work with. i would be happy to pay for the privilege.