The problem is that you don't understand systematics. And I'm not trying to be confrontational or rude about it, but you don't. I stopped responding because this is going nowhere. We are so far from being on the same page that this is pointless. But there are clearly no data that would support the postition of H.eximia or H.arborea being nested within Pseudacris. By the way, it is very odd how you always resort to discounting someone by calling them Hennigian, even though the argument has nothing to do with that. I'm done with this thread.