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hey every one. hello to all that kno me and ppl ive never seen. this is soo awsome. i just realized tonight that there is a tokay forum. IM SO HAPPY!!! im not the greatest person on eath when it comes to tokays, but i do like to think of my self as an advanced keeper. iv bought about 9 wild caught tokays over the years, and turned them into brightly colored, and very robust, and sold them. the past 3 years i have been breeding them. so far this year ive had 4 eggs. and 2 hatch. tokays are one of my most favorite geckos. im going to try and help out as much as i can on this forum, and ill always respond to any question directed at me (if any). any way, enough bragging. heres my pics.

the cages

nice and simple, keeps humidety well, and makes them feel happy and unstressed.

this is a breeding cage idea that i kikked around. i loved it, but i just don think the geckos were happy (i didnt get any eggs).

my females hoome cage, also used for breeding. 20 gal tank

males cage, hes only ever in it for 7 days at a time. its the 7 days after the female lays her eggs. its only to give her a brake, and let her build up her body back up. its a 20 gal rubber maid container

the female

the male

the 2 togeather befor i set up the females cage

the last set of eggs laid

the last baby that hatched out this year.

and a pic of the father and the baby(not togeather in teh same cage, just the same cool pose

let me kno what you all think. (i dont want to sound conceaded) but if you guys have any questions, or if i can help in any way, please feel free to ask.

also, let me kno what you guys think
thanx
nevin
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AIM- McChompinator

green tree pythons
green anacondas
yellow anacondas
jungle carpet pythons
brazilian rainbow baos
reticulated pythons
columbian boa constrictors
amazon tree boas
kenyan sand boas
ball pythons
blood pythons
burm pythons
tamed tokay geckos
leopard geckos(all morphs, cept a couple)
crested geckos
bearded dragons
mali uromastyxs
sudanese uromastyxs
poison dart frogs
albino pacman frog
african fat tailed geckos
jacksons chameleon
giant daygeckos
standings daygeckos
satanic leaftail geckos
corn snakes
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
4 cats- max the fat pimp dog-cat(rip)
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

we're never ganna survive unless we get a little..crazy..are the people walking through my head

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

the first pic in the post was of the cage i used for "rehabbing" WC adults.

nevin
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AIM- McChompinator

green tree pythons
green anacondas
yellow anacondas
jungle carpet pythons
brazilian rainbow baos
reticulated pythons
columbian boa constrictors
amazon tree boas
kenyan sand boas
ball pythons
blood pythons
burm pythons
tamed tokay geckos
leopard geckos(all morphs, cept a couple)
crested geckos
bearded dragons
mali uromastyxs
sudanese uromastyxs
poison dart frogs
albino pacman frog
african fat tailed geckos
jacksons chameleon
giant daygeckos
standings daygeckos
satanic leaftail geckos
corn snakes
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
4 cats- max the fat pimp dog-cat(rip)
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

we're never ganna survive unless we get a little..crazy..are the people walking through my head

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Some nice pics, it's really funny to see the position Tokays get in some times.
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.15 Tokays
1.4.10 Leos(13 albino)
1.2.0 AFT's(amel male)
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)

Hm,

if you really ask me..I am not surprised about your limited breeding success.
All tanks you picture show very limited places for the tokays to hide securely and are not of sufficient height.
To feel secure, tokays should not be kept in tanks less than 3 ft tall.
Moreover they do much better if only the front of the tank is transparent and the other walls are fake rock or bark.
Also even though I so often see tokays in 20g tanks, even after >20 years of tokay experience, I would not keep adultas in tanks smaller than 65g.
Behaviour normally changes a lot in larger tanks.
The most agile -and prolific- tokays I have do live in a >1100g tank.
But of course you don´t really need sth that big.
But a 100g is nice anfd the Trio I keep in such a tank also does well and produces like 20 Babies a year.
If I imagine y larges 250 g male to live in a 20 g....no way.
This is not to blame you, just to clarify, what tokays need and under which conditions they thrive best.
Ci@o

Ingo

ive had such "poor" successe this year because the tokays arnt my main focus this season. if they breed they breed. they get everything they need and more. thats all there is to it. i cant help but feel that you just dont like me do you? you had to tell me that i was wrong in the day gecko forum...and i turned out to be right. i under stand stand youve been doing this for 30 yrs or what ever, but i think im doing fine my self. last year i had 10 eggs produced by them, and the year befor (there first year) they produced 6. just cause you dont see the hiding spots doesnt mean theyr not there. i do beleave im doing just fine.
nevin
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AIM- McChompinator

green tree pythons
green anacondas
yellow anacondas
jungle carpet pythons
brazilian rainbow baos
reticulated pythons
columbian boa constrictors
amazon tree boas
kenyan sand boas
ball pythons
blood pythons
burm pythons
tamed tokay geckos
leopard geckos(all morphs, cept a couple)
crested geckos
bearded dragons
mali uromastyxs
sudanese uromastyxs
poison dart frogs
albino pacman frog
african fat tailed geckos
jacksons chameleon
giant daygeckos
standings daygeckos
satanic leaftail geckos
corn snakes
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
4 cats- max the fat pimp dog-cat(rip)
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

we're never ganna survive unless we get a little..crazy..are the people walking through my head

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

xNeViNx, you did ask for opinions. I don't think ingo doesn't like you so much as he was given you some very good advice on if you decide to really get into your Tokays. I reframe pretty much commenting on Tokay setups because you get alot of bad feedback cause everyone thinks they got it right but until you experiment, try the different sizes and different interiors you will never know. I personally think your Tokays look fine but there housing is far from ideal. I also see that you keep quite a few types of reptiles and Tokays are prob not your top priority. Sometimes taking others advice or at least expermenting and trying it out will make you a better keeper/breeder. Just because they breed and produce eggs doesn't make anyone a expert. I'm not picking on you, just keep a open mind and the only reason I spoke up is for my great love of Tokays. Your setup is far from the worst i've seen so keep up the good work and at least think bigger tank for yours Tokays.
BTW, Do you remove all your eggs from the tank to incubate?
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.15 Tokays
1.4.10 Leos(13 albino)
1.2.0 AFT's(amel male)
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)

i understand compleatly. but if my enclosures are not ideal, then why do they do so well? they never not eat, they never have a problem shedding, and they never hurt eachother. im always up for when someone has something to tell me. but it just comes across that ive never tryied ANYTHING else then what you see in those pictures. ive tried multipul cages, diff disigns, and diff sizes. ive found that the 20 gal tank works the best. if it didnt work, then i really dont think i would have had so meny eggs. i do apreatiat
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AIM- McChompinator

green tree pythons
green anacondas
yellow anacondas
jungle carpet pythons
brazilian rainbow baos
reticulated pythons
columbian boa constrictors
amazon tree boas
kenyan sand boas
ball pythons
blood pythons
burm pythons
tamed tokay geckos
leopard geckos(all morphs, cept a couple)
crested geckos
bearded dragons
mali uromastyxs
sudanese uromastyxs
poison dart frogs
albino pacman frog
african fat tailed geckos
jacksons chameleon
giant daygeckos
standings daygeckos
satanic leaftail geckos
corn snakes
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
4 cats- max the fat pimp dog-cat(rip)
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

we're never ganna survive unless we get a little..crazy..are the people walking through my head

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

I've had Tokays breed in 30 gal t tanks, when conditions are right I have no doubt they would breed in something smaller. Me personally just don't picture 12 inch aboreal geckos who like to climb and jump being able to get much activity in such a small tank. If you take a Tokay thats been kept in a large(100 gal) tank and put it in a smaller tank, 20-30 gal., you will notice a big difference in it's behavior. Instead of being out all the time blended into the cage they will hide unseen and rarely come out except at night. Anyways for them to breed some things and the care you provide are fine. I was really curious though if you remove all the eggs?, you posted a pic with Tokay eggs in a deli cup. I, a very long time ago, removed some and incubated in a incubater. One day i opened the incubater to check on them and both babies escaped into my house. Took forever but i did catch them Good luck, maybe some day we could exchage some cb babies.

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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.15 Tokays
1.4.10 Leos(13 albino)
1.2.0 AFT's(amel male)
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)

sorry, yeah i do incubate them sepratly. any way, both my tokays do not come out in the day. they act as you discribe. they have a sheet of bark in there cage that is wedged between 2 branches so it kinda just stands straight up in the middle of the tank, and they will sit on that time to time. they do come out during the day once in a while. they have a couple diff places to hide, but most of the time its right out in the open, like under a couple leafs or such, but there not at all scares or anythinglike that.
nevin
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AIM- McChompinator

green tree pythons
green anacondas
yellow anacondas
jungle carpet pythons
brazilian rainbow baos
reticulated pythons
columbian boa constrictors
amazon tree boas
kenyan sand boas
ball pythons
blood pythons
burm pythons
tamed tokay geckos
leopard geckos(all morphs, cept a couple)
crested geckos
bearded dragons
mali uromastyxs
sudanese uromastyxs
poison dart frogs
albino pacman frog
african fat tailed geckos
jacksons chameleon
giant daygeckos
standings daygeckos
satanic leaftail geckos
corn snakes
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
4 cats- max the fat pimp dog-cat(rip)
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

we're never ganna survive unless we get a little..crazy..are the people walking through my head

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."