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Here a pic from my White Mandarin Ratsnake. It is a subadult male, hatched in 2004. He was born with normal colors. Within the first year he lost his yellow and he is only black and white (and a little red on the light scales).

The geographic origin is Northern Vietnam. I hope to breed some more white babies within the next years...

Stefan

www.elaphe.info
...only in german

....WC proven adult mandarin, LOL.

Congrats on the unique and beautiful snake, Stefan. Looking forward to some future photos and info on your project. I thought you would find this interesting. This female produced last year for me and is set to drop her second clutch in the next few days.

Walt Deptula

Axanthic Mandarin

...to comment on your snake having been born yellow and losing the color. That is very odd and I will be interested in hearing about whether you produce others in the future that follow that pattern.
Did you produce from the same parents last year? No such yellow to white offspring in 05 or 06? How long was the transformation duration? The next question is whether your white snake (which now appears a younger axanthic) will father hets for white in typical recessive fashion. Lots of questions which only time will answer.

I have assumed all along that my snake bred with normals would produce offspring which are het for axanthic, an assumption I still fully believe in. No way of knowing what my adult WC looked like as a baby.

Walt

...to mention that the offspring I produced from her last season are typically colored and patterned. They show no signs of color change at over a year (vivid yellow) which seems to suggest that the genetics
are behaving as simple recessive in my case. Obviously nothing is proven here yet either.

Walt

I doubt the white mandarin which was posted is axanthic. Born with all normal pigments shows that there is more at work than that, as it underwent a color change. If it proves genetic, I would not expect it to be the same mutation as your azxanthic. Both are incredible snakes though!
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

Thanks for the kind words on the axanthic.

I wasn't suggesting that his snake was axanthic rather that it now had the "appearance" of being axanthic, perhaps it was poorly worded. The "white mandarin" is a complete mystery to me in regard to any label at this point.

Since yours was born that way, I would say it is axanthic. The offspring (hopefully hets) shall tell the tale. The color changer, though, is a mystery, and I have more doubts to that one being genetic, hopefully they both are genetic.
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

Stefan:
That is a very attractive mandarin. Good luck in your efforts to propagate that phase. I've always enjoyed your website (even trying to translate german). The pictures and information are very interesting.

Best regards
John Firneno

Cool mandarin! Can't wait to see what he produces. Lucky holdback.
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

Hi Stefan,

Very nice specimen!

I was already acquainted with your website. And the German ain't a big problem since I'm Dutch and had to study German at school.

Keep us informed about this animal!

Bram Sibma (the guy who mailed you yesterday)

Amazing animal, Stefan.

Good luck, Jeff