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What to do about large reptiles?

rugbyman2000 Aug 09, 2006 08:33 PM

It was a "BIG Summer" for our nonprofit reptile rescue, especially if you measured it by the average size of our rescued herps. Last year we received about a dozen Sulcatta Tortoises, which made for a fun and worry-free summer of herbivorous grazing. This year brought us some of the largest carnivorous reptiles in the world, which was anything but a care-free experience.

In June our rescue saw several large constrictors. A couple 8-ft Burmese Pythons started it all off, followed by a run of four Red Tail Boa Constrictors, and also a couple Ball Pythons. Those are just the snakes which actually made it to the rescue. We had calls for several others which never showed up here.

Somehow our July theme switched from constrictors to crocodilians. Our previous record for gator calls in one month was 10, set back in February of 2006. July dwarfed that figure, however, bringing about 20 unwanted alligator calls! We received calls from state and local police forces, several animal shelters, soldiers who were shipping out, kids who were leaving home, parents whose kids had already left . . . the gator calls just kept coming! When my phone rang, I started to anticipate another alligator request before I even picked up the phone . . . and I was usually right!

At one point WHP News 21 (Harrisburg) called to ask for our help with an abandoned alligator story they were covering. Later, when Jack Hubley was at the rescue filming a Wild Moments special about our Alligator Invasion, I received a voicemail that made me laugh, and I handed him the phone so he could hear it. Soon we were both laughing. It was the Harrisburg Humane Society looking for our help, because the Mayor's office wanted some answers about the gator that had turned up by the Susquehana. There was just something inherantly comical about getting an urgent call from the Mayor's office in the Northeast demanding answers about an Alligator, of all things.

Although most of our calls were for gators and pythons, we also had our routine Iguana calls in high numbers. We usually don't accept iguanas at the rescue because we can't place them as fast as they come in. We bent the rules and accepted two iguanas this summer, and turned away several more, asking owners to list them on our website's Public Adoption Forum. Usually we get more iguana calls than any other herp, but alligators were the most common request this summer.

On the smaller side, we did have a few "little critters" come through the rescue. We picked up two sickly Emperor Scorpions in East Pete, although one was D.O.A. A 2-yr-old Corn Snake also came from the same home, after the landlord enforced a "no pets" rule. A Northern Pine Snake was the only "first" for the rescue this summer. It turned up in someone's driveway. Luckily for the snake, he chose a driveway owned by somebody who realized it wasn't native. Eventually it came into the rescue with its trademark warning behavior of hissing and tail rattling. One week and a shed-cycle later, it revealed a beautiful black and white pattern.

The highlight of my summer was my educational shows. I had the opportunity to visit about sixty events in ten counties with my reptiles. This was my first opportunity to have a full-time reptile job, and I have to admit, I loved every minute of it. It was really great to be out in the community meeting people, and also educating the public about the critters we all love so much.

At many of my shows, my live alligator commentary included a question for the audience: "Do you think Alligators make good pets?" Overwhelmingly, hundreds of little kids knew the obvious answer -- no way! In many of our surrounding states, like NJ, NY, DE, and MD, state regulations restrict the ownership of many of the problematic herp species which have plagued our rescue this summer (and which are legal in Pennsylvania and a handful of other states). More often than not, it seems like crocodilians and large constrictors give our hobby a bad name, because very few of them end up in good homes. The combination of a low sticker price and a huge adult size seems to attract the wrong type of buyers.

It's a sad story of the unscrupulous selling the unkeepable to the ignorant, and it's nothing new in our hobby. Unfortunately, the effects of these problem pets are mounting, and some states are starting to enact major bans on reptile ownership. Usually by the time the states get involved, they are ready to ban most reptiles, not just the problem species. This causes me to wonder if the states with ZERO regulation of exotic herps should have state law regulating the ownership of large constrictors, crocodilians, venomous species, and possibley iguanas too. Perhaps if the herp community proactively suggested a good set of herp regs to state legislature, it would keep them from eventually drafting laws that restrict the less problematic herps. If it was illegal to buy and sell burms and crocs, their production would eventually slow down.

I hope our rescue's "BIG Summer" can stimulate discussion on the lack of exotic herp laws in a handful of states, and how it effects our hobby. I know we're not the only rescue with this problem. Should we have more laws restricting ownership and sale of problematic species? How should those laws be shaped?

Ideas, anyone?

Officer Heckart and Jack Hubley stop by the rescue, both on official gator business.
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Jesse Rothacker
Forgotten Friend Reptile Sanctuary
www.forgottenfriend.org

Replies (6)

eekster Aug 15, 2006 11:28 PM

Jesse
I have to disagree with making large constrictors illegal. That would hurt many serious keepers. I know quite a few people that have large constrictors that have been keeping them for years with no plans to get rid of them.

I do agree that alligators are becoming a problem. That should be taken up with the pet shops that make them so readily availible. We have a shop in Chamberburg Pa that will sell an alligator to anyone. Including a child that comes in with $109.00. I have been in there and confronted them many times about this. I've asked them why they would offer such a reptile to the general public. I've yet to get a straight answer. The only warning you get from them when buying a gator is wrote in colorful marker on the 10 gallon tank that houses up to 10 baby gators at times. Is this "we will get 6 to 8 feet long". Which is not true but if you wanna sell them you got to make it look good.

I don't think the answer lies in banning constrictors or crocs. I think the shops should be held accountable for what they sell. Also who they sell it to. There are plenty of people that keep large crocs, constrictors, and monitors. That know what they are dealing with and have planned for the future. Meaning cost of housing and feeding such a reptile. Any ban on these species will hurt alot of people in the reptile comunity.

There are 5 pet shops within 30 minutes of me only 1 sells alligators. If your ever in chambersburg. I can prove it just walk into a shop and comment on gators. You will hear all kinds of flamming about the one shop for selling gators to kids and inbred dogs from the puppy mills. They got a great location so people send there kids over while they shop. The people have no idea since they don't frequent shops. Sicne they are not really into it. They buy reptiles, dogs, and fish for the kids and have no idea what there getting into. It's that oooowww I want one and they get it without thinking it through.

Most shops in our area won't even sell burms and you'll never see a retic or conda. The rock I have for adoption came from another town about an 2 hours from here. It was a mistake on there order.

Well it's late maybe getting a croc or a constrictor should be like getting a fire arm 5 day waiting period or a test of knowledge. Maybe the pet shops that sell these reptiles like hot cakes. Should be fined everytime one turns up at a rescue or in the wild.

ok I'm done. I like the post.

Katrina Aug 16, 2006 05:03 PM

It's not just the pet stores, it's also the vendors at the reptile shows. Have you been to Hamburg? How in God's name can anyone sell a Nile crocodile for $100, or an alligator for $55? And dozens of them! If you're worried about this hobby, then you'd better take it up with your fellow vendors, dealers, and breeders - they and the people they sell to will be the ones that determine the course of events.

Katrina

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1.2 Eastern Muds - Fred, Ethel, Edith
0.1 Iguana - Tiffel
0.1 Bearded Dragon - Foster
Foster turtles: More than I'd like the husband to know about.

eekster Aug 16, 2006 06:02 PM

I have been to the show in hamburg. I also agree with you. Vendors and breeder should be more responsible. There has to be another way than banning large reotiles all together. That is what I'm getting at.

I have been taking in reptiles for many years. I'm not a breeder or a dealer. I Just recently got more involed. It seems like more and more reptiles are being neglected and or abandoned. So I'll play my part to help educate people, take in unwanted reptiles, and relocate them to good homes.

I,m not sure what the best answer is for this situation. I would like to help find it however Without banning large reptiles.

How about this all large reptiles must be micro chipped and registered with in 30 days of purchase.Kinda like dogs and cats.

That would defer a lot of people from getting large reptiles cause it's not fast and easy. It will also hold them resonsible for the reptile. I think having it chipped and on record will stop alot of reptiles from being released or abandoned.

Also make the dealers and shops keep the info. Who they sold these animals to and how many they sold to each person and all together in a given period of time.

If the buyer knows they will be some what monitored. That alone will make them think twice on a quick purchase.

If they do not register the reptile and get caught heavy fines. that will also defer the quick buyer from purchasing a large reptile also.

what do you think alot better than banning them form everybody.

begunwithaletter Sep 29, 2006 10:47 AM

I disagree with that approach, there are too many anti-reptile people out there to make that safe. If you have all your snakes registered with the government, and someone decides to BAN them in your area, then the government would have the right to come and take all of your animals! And you KNOW they'd be euthanised...

I do, however, agree that breeders should be more responsible. I've seen retic hatchlings sell for less than common corns and kings, and that's ridiculous

herp_whisperer Aug 19, 2006 10:03 PM

I've been involved with animal rescues- raptors and reptiles both- for over 25 years now. I keep giant pythons, responsibly- and over the years, off and on, I've bred Burms and/or sold reptiles.
The answer to the problems associated with any animal related problem is not government involvement...ever. (I also served as a police officer for 8 years...I'm not a fan of government involvement) Actually, as with narcotics, the answer lies in education.
The government likes to place animals on "endangered" lists...which makes their black market value skyrocket. Same for simply prohibiting ownership- as Prohibition proved, make something illegal or difficult to obtain, and the freaks come out of the woodwork and pay exhorbitant sums to own one, whatever it is.
People need to be educated about the animals, it has to be made very clear what it is going to take to feed and house these animals for their life span...that's the best we can do. Certainly people will still make poor choices, but hopefully, as the populace gets smarter about the animal, the incidence of stupidity will decrease.
The only sort of law I could support would be mandatory ID chips in the animal, and huge fines if the animal is found to be neglected or released into the wild- as with the Burms in Florida. We are forced to pay to house human prisoners, via taxes...irresponsible pet owners should be forced to pay for a rescue facility to take care of their abandoned or neglected pet for it's life span. Garnished wages?
Yet this opens up the door to corruption in rescue facilities, right?
There is no easy answer...and we call our pets the animals!

James

j3nnay Oct 12, 2006 06:10 PM

I agree, education is what'll make the difference, not government regulation. I work at a Petco and we're not allowed to sell animals to anyone under age 18, nor do we ever HAVE to sell an animal to anyone - and in some cases the people at my store have refused to sell an animal. Corporate would rather we just sell the animals and make a profit, but it's up to us at the store and people level to make sure they're going to good homes.

It's a case of both parties needing to be responsible - buying a snake just because the pattern matches better with the couch is no reason to get an animal (a real customer I refused to sell a snake to. It wasn't just that comment, it was the way the customers were also ignoring everything I said about how to care for the redtail - just "oh how cute! it'll be great on the bookshelf!". Parents buying pets for children also have responsibility - most kids aren't going to be responsible enough to care for a reptile by themselves, and it takes a parent to keep an eye on the critter to make sure it's taken care of. I've had my female ball python since I was five, and while now she's getting excellent care and I'm the sole person in charge of it, when I was younger yes I'll admit my parents had to make sure I cleaned her cage and had her heat in the right range. It's just a part of having kids, and it's how we (kids) learn responsibility.

A friend of mine has a roommate who bought a baby burm, with the seller telling her it'd stay small as long as she kept it in a small cage. Sellers who give out improper information like that should get fined, IMO.

I like the idea of a 5 day waiting period on larger constrictors and gators, or maybe having to get a license. Something to prove you can handle taking care of an animal that can get large and in some cases, nasty. There are so many people who come into my store AFTER having purchased a baby iguana asking "So what does this thing need?". One family just left the iguana at the store after finding out how much care it required, and an associate ended up taking him home.

It's incredibly frustrating to see and hear about neglect through ignorance, and if sellers would just take the time to educate people on what they're buying...! Augh.

Sorry for the rant, all, but something really does need to be done!

~jenny
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1.1.1 normal ball pythons (Cindy, Darwin, and Periscope)
1.0 rex rat (Scurvy)
0.1 bunny (Spazz)
2.1 betta fishes (Vicious, Killer, and Butters)
2.2 great danes (Shasta, Odysseus, Merlot, and Watson)
1.0 fat fuzzy mutt (Smokey)
1.1 cats (Thidwick and Turtle)
2.0 horses (Buddy and Sam)
1.0 goat (Billy Jack)
2.25 chickens (Jacques the rooster and his harem)

but what I really want is more ball pythons!

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