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Ingo

I'm out in limbo on IDs but they are neat! Thanks for the photo!
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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same as this!!!!!!
nice!

Lepodicapra?

All three are nice dragons. They do look like a cross between the two. I don't even know if that's possible.

Ingo what’s a matter with you?

really are you going to leave the sand box every time something doesn’t go as you plan?

Let me tell you something about me, I do not post on these forums to learn about reptiles, I learn about reptiles by working with reptiles.

The reasons I post is to relax and get my mind off my regular job (forest preservation) I post because it helps me improve my English, but above all it allows me to drop my inhibitions, regardless that it makes me look like a fool or not, these discussions helps me deal with personal problems. Kind of therapeutic.

Therefore nothing that is said is taken personal, and nothing I say should be taken personal. These are just words on a screen, so why not enjoy the ride and play along.

Its just nothing. Im am quite busy with job, family and herps (these days I am drowning in baby jewelled lizards which keeps me even more busy).
Also I am involved in some web work for the DGHT (dght.de) and thus I do not have too much time to drop in each and any interesting forum. Since my moving I am also (temporarily?) out of southeastasian agamids and thats why I do not visit this forum too often.
The dragons I showed were shown to me for ID and all I could say is that it is an undescribed species.
I do not know, if description is in progress or not and thats why I asked. Sorry that i then neglected this thread.
Best regards

Ingo

They are a variant of coronata, I have a few and Marcia has some too!
most exporters think they are lepidogaster, this is why keepers refer to them as such.

Lepidogaster; have eye patch, shoulder bar, are sexually color dimorphic, rough belly scales.
Coronata; has little or no eye patch, no shoulder bar, no sexual color dimorphism, less rough belly scales.

similarities;
both species have blue mouth and are of similar body size.

Thanks for the come back, I understand.

Rgds

proper identification of lepidogaster, crucigera, coronata is a lot more complex then we think, each of these have variants, for example there are at least tree synonyms for lepidogaster alone haninanensis, braueri and lamnidentata. Crucigera and coronata may have more? Only time and recherché will allow to clarify this complex. It is almost impossible to properly identify imports without locality data, doing so will only confuse this taxon even more.

This is sad, as most importers don't give local information so this makes ID and keeping species pure a tough challange!
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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Yes it makes positive ID a little difficult, but obtaining same local and breeding pure bloodline is still possible.
Ingo’s photo clearly shows a pair of the same specie, compare them to my pair and see how my female is a lot different then my male. Lets say I saw them in a pet shop, personally I would pass on them, because theirs no way of knowing where they came from or even if they are the same specie, however sins my friend imported them from first hand exporter and that we know the locality, this makes my pair 100% pure, they are just differently patterned.

In time we will know much more about these species, what is confusing us today will be common knowledge tomorrow, perhaps the best is that we are involved in the very beginning of tree dragon herpetoculture.

My pair also came from one importer. I didn't get local on them but do know they came in the same shipment as did my entire group of armata.

By the way, speaking of my armata, one of the ladies is digging! I found the shallowest corner dug up tonight. I have one side filled deep but she isn't using it. I'm going to go to the garden center in the morning to see if they have the sphagnam moss. Now tell me, how moist do you make the moss?

Marcia
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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Marcia I always use the same principal with all reptiles, only the materials changes.

The idea is to provide a dry but humid nest, this is easily obtainable by having 2-3in of sand, or perlite, or clay pebbles, marbles, gravel at the very bottom, this will hold water and keep the sphagnum moos or leaf litter dry but still allow water vapours to penetrate the nesting medium.

So basically you don’t need to spray or water the nesting material, you only need to saturate the bottom layer, the heat generated by your light bulb will do the rest.

I am sure you have already noticed that humidity levels in your cage changes when with your light cycle, this is a miniaturisation of how our atmosphere works, it will allow excellent nesting options, all you need to do is provide good nesting temperature.

See this very simple principal has permitted me to breed many species that many has failed to produce.

Best of luck
Rgds

I went to the garden center and got some sphagnum moss this morning and then realized it was the sphagnum peat! But, since it is not saturated like the coir fiber I keep in my vivs for moisture I decided to see what would happen with it. I moved the divider that I had in there and used it instead to keep the substrate from the water dish. Now there are 3 corners that are deep instead of 2. The bottom is about 4" deep with pretty damp coir fiber. On top of that is about 4" more of the sphagnum peat straight from the bag. I just misted it down a bit to prevent any dust problems and to mist the moms! I heard a lot of running around in there as I was changing the water in the babies tanks but no ground activity before I left.

I did note however that although I placed the light bulb about 16-18" above the substrate in one corner the spot where the female dug was in the corner the farthest away from the light. I am curious to see where she ends up nesting ; )

Marcia
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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Hm...to all of my knowledge, A. coronata (GÖNTHER, 1861)is an invalid synonym of A. lepidogaster.
Did I miss sth?
When and by whome were these revalidated?

Best regards

Ingo

Stuart and All 2006 in press. they resurected coronata.