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Hi there,

I recently came into ownership of a pair of LTC/WC AFT's with unusual colouration. No-one is 100% sure on what the genetic makeup of these two geckos is, and since its a bit on the exciting side of things I thought I'd start up a post incase anyone wants to follow the little project.

Various friends have had various opinions. Some think they are Leucistic, some think a new strain of albinism/amelanism, others think they are just unusually pale albinos/amels. Any thoughts of your own? I've heard of similar things in the States but I'm UK based.

After some expensive health problems with the male and repeated egg-reabsorption with the female I've now got a clutch of good & fertile looking 'leucistic' eggs cooking. I've also got myself a breeding age & size female of the conventional amel/albino strain with the idea of proving out the 'leucistic' gene, but she doesnt seem to take kindly to my males advances yet.

^^^The 'leucistics' when I first recieved them, top = female, bottom = male.

^^^The female amel/albino.

^^^Comparison between the male 'leucistic' and female amel/albino. He has put alot more weight on since this picture was taken, but notice the lack of paterning on the male, and how he doesnt have 'fleshtone' coloured bands like albino/amels do where the darker bands are on normals. There isnt even a crescent on the back of his head like other AFT's. The female leucy is identical to the male except she is smaller and has a regen tail.

^^^ Eggs from leucy x leucy mating, incubating for female and will be 60 days on 16th November.

So, anyone else working with a similar looking gene in the US or Europe? Anybody have any thoughts on these two oddballs?

well i have seen other fatties that a breeder and a freind of mine hade and they too also had no pattern that i could see. when i first saw them i thought they were patternless leos but they were very quick to correct me. when i looked closer i could see it was indeed a fatty. some regular fatties also have no pattern.

Exactly the same thing here, when I first glimpsed them I thought blizzard or patternless leo, but as soon as I looked at them properly I realised they werent leos at all. I actually asked what they were and was surprised when I was told they were fatties. They have the stubby toes and huge, dark eyes of a fatty but not the markings and they had stumped me point blank.

Does this breeder friend of yours still have them and did they ever breed them? What did the hatchlings look like and how did their colouration mature?

well she actually got out of geckos. she did breed him though to a female similar to the one pictured, they mostly turned out like the female, i think. keep us posted in here.

03/10/06 : The female has just laid another clutch 16 days after the previous clutch. She seems to be starting her own breeding season in the autumn.

When the eggs start hatching will you be selling the babies, or will you be wanting to keep them all? I have been looking for Amel/ Albino Fatties for months now. Let me know how the process goes!
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1.0 Bearded Dragons
1.1 Fat tailed geckos

shoot me an email i have one for really cheap and a het whos mother was albino and father was wild caught so you have pure blood mixed in. sorry the pics arnt wonderfull..

p.s. heres my email, balonypony420@yahoo.com

I'm going to keep the first hatchling since this is my first time breeding, incubating and rearing my own reptiles (been doing it for other people for a long time), but otherwise babies will be sold. There is a short waiting list at present.

Danny & Jimmy Gorman of DJ Reptiles out of NY? Also have some lucys.
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Jodi L Aherns
612.802.3980
www.groundgeckofreak.com

I've tried searching the name online but I can't find thier site, you wouldn't happen to have a link would you?

Another pair of eggs.

One egg from the first clutch seems to be a dud; deflated, warty and yellowed.

Otherwise all is looking good.

Are clutch intervals of 16 days and 14 days reasonable? I worry about the poor wee femme, shes only a tiddler as far as adult fatties go.