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Ok new pacman owner got him about 2 weeks ago I have been readin some of the post but thares to many to find out what I whant to know... my frog has not really eatin that many crickets sence I got um I dust them and everything and I'm cinda wondering.. He is in a 29 gallon tank he has a heat pad and the black light that thay recamened at the store but I can't seem to really keep the temp up to 80 or so... so I was wondering if this would effect his eating habbit...he is still perrty much the same size and fattnes as I got him and he is still very much coloerful... so am I just being overly concerned or should I move him to a smaller tank???
Thanks for your time...
Ryan and chanchu the frog

>>Ok new pacman owner got him about 2 weeks ago I have been readin some of the post but thares to many to find out what I whant to know... my frog has not really eatin that many crickets sence I got um I dust them and everything and I'm cinda wondering.. He is in a 29 gallon tank he has a heat pad and the black light that thay recamened at the store but I can't seem to really keep the temp up to 80 or so... so I was wondering if this would effect his eating habbit...he is still perrty much the same size and fattnes as I got him and he is still very much coloerful... so am I just being overly concerned or should I move him to a smaller tank???
>>Thanks for your time...
>>Ryan and chanchu the frog

hey Ryan just to let you know you shouldnt have a under tank heater well i never used one and some people here will tell you to but remeber you can get red leg if it is to hot under neth your pacman i deal with pixies and corn snakes most but at one time a had about 4 pacmans and i never had any light or heat pad on them and they did perfict eating and the bunch next time ask around someone who has one it sounds like to me they just wanted your money so yea pos back and let me know. Ryan

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1 snow corn (belly)
1 kenyan sand boa (tim)
1 pixie frog (bob)
1 fat cat (yashy)
Ryan Duggan

snip "but remeber you can get red leg if it is to hot under neth your pacman"endsnip

Do you mean the bacterial infection called "red leg" or are you calling anything that causes a blushing of the ventral surface of the frog "red leg". (I think that from your statement, that there were thermal issues that were mistaken for a disease (see below)).

"Red leg" is more properly a symptom than a disease although it has been referred to as a disease for a number of years. The most common usage of the name red leg refers to a bacterial infection that can be caused by more than ten different types of bacteria but maybe most commonly caused by an Aeromonas hydrophilia. Some forms (however not all amphibians develop this symptom even when infected with the same bacterial strain) of this septicemia end up with red patchs on the ventral surface of the frog due to hemorraging of the capillaries and the collection of blood in the tissues however this can also naturally occur after death or due to trauma, viral and/or fungal infections.

Septicemias in amphibians are primarily due to keeping the amphibians overcrowded, insufficient removal of wastes or decomposing food products and/or excessive stress.
It has been shown that amphibians and reptiles infected with these types of bacteria will either warm themselves to develop behavorial fevers to help combat the infection or if there is insufficient heat to seek a cooler spot to slow the growth of the bacteria.

As the animals will seek a warmer spot to create behavioral fevers I find it hard to believe that exposure to a heating pad will cause an amphibian to develop red leg.

Ed

>>snip "but remeber you can get red leg if it is to hot under neth your pacman"endsnip
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>>Do you mean the bacterial infection called "red leg" or are you calling anything that causes a blushing of the ventral surface of the frog "red leg". (I think that from your statement, that there were thermal issues that were mistaken for a disease (see below)).
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>>"Red leg" is more properly a symptom than a disease although it has been referred to as a disease for a number of years. The most common usage of the name red leg refers to a bacterial infection that can be caused by more than ten different types of bacteria but maybe most commonly caused by an Aeromonas hydrophilia. Some forms (however not all amphibians develop this symptom even when infected with the same bacterial strain) of this septicemia end up with red patchs on the ventral surface of the frog due to hemorraging of the capillaries and the collection of blood in the tissues however this can also naturally occur after death or due to trauma, viral and/or fungal infections.
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>>Septicemias in amphibians are primarily due to keeping the amphibians overcrowded, insufficient removal of wastes or decomposing food products and/or excessive stress.
>>It has been shown that amphibians and reptiles infected with these types of bacteria will either warm themselves to develop behavorial fevers to help combat the infection or if there is insufficient heat to seek a cooler spot to slow the growth of the bacteria.
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>>As the animals will seek a warmer spot to create behavioral fevers I find it hard to believe that exposure to a heating pad will cause an amphibian to develop red leg.
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>>Ed

lol well done you sure know your stuff but i read a long time ago at a web site care sheet for pacmans that it could cause "red leg" but i belived it becuase well i never used heating pads for my frogs never had to my room is 74f day and night so not worried about that thanks ed for your mention and we could us more of that knowlage thanks. Ryan
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1 snow corn (belly)
1 kenyan sand boa (tim)
1 pixie frog (bob)
1 fat cat (yashy)
Ryan Duggan

Hey Ryan, if you got a little guy moving him into a smaller tank would probably help out a lot as far as him being able to catch his prey. Also, you might just want to let him de-stress and get used to being in a new place. I personally have a large adult pacman in a 10, he's usually found burrowed and rarely moves about to where 10 gallon is sufficient. I also have a UTH that is very low powered, that when placed underneath simply warms and will not burn. I don't remember the name, but can get back with you when I find out if you like.

I did just this last weekend move him into a 10... for a few days after he still didn't move (not dug in ontop of the dirt with his legs spred all the way out) so I kept waterin him down so he would keep his mouister and today he has barried him self fiannly after like a week and it looks like his legs are back underneath him like it was when he was happy... so mabye he's getting better or getting over whatever it was that he had... so I guess ill just keep posting but thanks to everybody helping me out I really apresheate it and I think my frog as well

Ryan and chan chu