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Just out of curiosity,which species of Acanthosaura is this?

I think it looks like A. nataniale, but perhaps it is yet another undescribed species. I'm pretty sure Evan, Marcia, and I have already seen this photo, and you probably have too. So what do you think?

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Ryan

yes this is nataliae

Is that what yours look like?
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Ryan

physicaly yes! but color wise no!

This specie is way more impresive then the above exemple.
my babies will fetch $500ea easy.

in time I will advertise them.

jobi,
I sure wish we could see pics of your adults. They sound awesome. Not even one? Am I the only one who is dying to see more than a head and shoulder only shot of one?

Evan

Pretty please?
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Ryan

Just wondering, but why would someway pay $500.00 for an agamid that can still be imported from Vietnam. I had some in my collection last year, even bred them prior to selling them. I sold them for $75.00 each for acclimated adults and I can get more in the future and sell them for the same price. Just seems a bit strange to me.

>>physicaly yes! but color wise no!
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>>This specie is way more impresive then the above exemple.
>>my babies will fetch $500ea easy.
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>>in time I will advertise them.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
www.IntenseHerp.com

I know exactly how you feel, dam I feel the same way when someone pays $500 and more for ball pythons, I guess we both will get over this sometime?

Vietnam reptiles are getting rare, fauna conservation is the last priority for these fine peoples, most of there water ways are contaminated sins the war, all lizards are considered food, we keep importing numbers of cheep lizards, yet these peoples are finding it more difficult to get.

This alone makes them valuable to me, really I don’t care if you see them as just agamas, import them and sale them cheep if you like, as for me my plan is set and they will be expensive no dough.

I needed to fund an expedition to get this specie, because no exporters could get them, I don’t know witch species you are talking about, but I dough it's nataliae, heck few months ago keepers could not tell a capra from coronata, but yet you tell me you got these in the pass? Now this I find funny.

Yes, on two shipments from Vietnam I located over a dozen specimens in a shipment of several hundred Acanthosaura. I don't see them as just agamids, but the demand for Acanthosaura is not anything close to $500.00 each, maybe $125.00-$150.00 at the extreme high end. I work with a huge variety of agmids and bred most of the species I keep (Draco, Gonocephalus, Lophognathus, Agama, Dendragama, Calotes, Acanthosaura, and Bronchocela ). As for $500.00 ball pythons, there is something called demand. As for finding less and less lizards in Vietnam, not to sure about that. Vietnam exporters have never had a problems collecting large amounts of various lizards.

I've been bale to tell the various species apart for several years, why? Well, I've always located my resources in various herpetological journals, including the orginal descriptions and keys. Most hobbyists resort to finding their information online in a simply aquired and read format.

What I find funny is you have high hopes to sell this species, but someone tell me this, who is willing to spend $500.00 on this agamid? There needs to be a market first.

>>I know exactly how you feel, dam I feel the same way when someone pays $500 and more for ball pythons, I guess we both will get over this sometime?
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>>Vietnam reptiles are getting rare, fauna conservation is the last priority for these fine peoples, most of there water ways are contaminated sins the war, all lizards are considered food, we keep importing numbers of cheep lizards, yet these peoples are finding it more difficult to get.
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>>This alone makes them valuable to me, really I don’t care if you see them as just agamas, import them and sale them cheep if you like, as for me my plan is set and they will be expensive no dough.
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>>I needed to fund an expedition to get this specie, because no exporters could get them, I don’t know witch species you are talking about, but I dough it's nataliae, heck few months ago keepers could not tell a capra from coronata, but yet you tell me you got these in the pass? Now this I find funny.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
www.IntenseHerp.com

What I find funny is you have high hopes to sell this species.

I have high hopes of developing nice colour morphs!
I have high hopes of improving my husbandry methods!

But I do not care the least if I sell them or not, I overdosed on selling my babies to public long ago, they kill them or mistreat them in ways I can’t even understand.

This is why most of my agamid end up as monitor food, I only keep the exceptional colourful, and offer very limited numbers to serious keepers.

The situation in Vietnam is really critical, more so then any Asian country, I have a friend working there, hear part of an email from yesterday.

In fact I can send you loads of documents about Vietnam present conditions.
Rgds

The encouraging news about VN is that the government is starting to take notice of the need for environmental protection. They have just established the Department of Natural Resources and Environment (DONRE) which is to regulate and police exploitation of forestry, oceans, rivers and other natural resources . But they are really in their infancy and have not been given much teeth for a guard dog. Organizations like the Asian Development Bank (my ex employer), the World Bank, UNDP, as well as NGOs like the WWF have started to put pressure on the government with some success. There are now some environment protection oriented projects supported by these groups which also include policy dialog and regulation components. It's a slow process however and some bad habits do die hard.

It doesn't help as you suggest that large areas of the country have been poisoned by dioxin during the war (agent orange) and the land is still very much contaminated. My work in the last 3 years was in those areas where in part we were trying to find alternative income generation activities for farmers who can't produce adequate crops on their contaminated land.

I hope you guys got this, as I posted this part mostly for you.

Water contamination is the reason these lizards have learned to during by sapping rain from bark or leafs, imports don’t use water bowls much.

Also Vietnam lizards will increase in value as they unfortunately become rare, this alone is reason enough to work with them rather then established species like leopard and bearded’s.

I am sure Vietnam lizards will become rarer, but with large tracts of undisturbed forest and adaptation to human dwellings they will not be in dire threat.

As for your drinking theory, it doesn't hold. I have various animals from all over the world that refuse to drink from a bowl, including animals from pristine habitats. It's just the way those animals work. One thing I'll do with many agamids is dunk their heads in a shallow water bowl, and guess what, they'll drink. Heck, I'm doing it with a bunch of Dracos from Vietnam right now.

I like that you try different things to get desired results, I do the same thing with difficult animals, and I usually have success. Still, you come off a bit wrong in your posts. You say things without any real research, just simple observations, only part of the overall picture. what I like about dealing with nature, you can do it 10 different ways and get the same results.

>>I hope you guys got this, as I posted this part mostly for you.
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>>Water contamination is the reason these lizards have learned to during by sapping rain from bark or leafs, imports don’t use water bowls much.
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>>Also Vietnam lizards will increase in value as they unfortunately become rare, this alone is reason enough to work with them rather then established species like leopard and bearded’s.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
www.IntenseHerp.com

I say what I think so that people like you can help me better understand, I really don’t mind being wrong about anything, I wish more people would share what they think.

Pleas don’t ever mussel me, not even if I am wrong 9 out of 10, tell me when I am wrong and offer a better view, this will help me a lot more then silent.

Many thanks.

I think MHDs need at least 3' of accesable hieght. They seem to spend most of there time in the 3'-4'zone. I have seen MHDs scratch at the cieling of the enclosure when it was about 2' high.
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Ryan