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Hi guys,

I have 3.0 Masticophis flagellum. And get another 1.1 next week. Can anyone tell me how to distinguish eastern and western coachwhips? The ones I have are normal brown colour, and the ones I get are a bit redish.

I do have some pictures, but can't get them on the internet yet.

kind regards

Gilian

Trying to post some older pictures.

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This is one of the smaler ones

regards

(Don't know how to get more pictures in one post...)

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tha last one

What you have are definately western coachwhips. Easterns, depending on where you get them from, have a little or a lot of black in them. They usually have black around the head and first third to half of their body, with the rest being a light tan color. Occasionally, you'll get near-black, or all black eastern coachwhips, which are glossy black from head to tail. Some even have smatterings of red around the tail, very pretty animals. Anyway, post pictures of the easterns once you get them!
Kevin

Thanks for the reply. I will get the others on thursday, and will post some pictures later.

kind regards

These are the 'new' ones

Same subspecies or different?

And the second picture:

I fact it's not as redish as I expected.

To answer your question there is no way to tell other than to know which locality they came from. There is an intergrade zone that runs through Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. Within populations there are many color variations that mimic either western or eastern. I have seen Yellow, Brown, Red, Pink, Cream and Black, Solid Cream, and Solid Black , Black and Pink, and Banded Specimens. I have seen cream colored Western that look like the Cream colored Eastern. With an intergrade zone the combinations are unlimited.
The only thing I noticed is that there is less of a chance that a western has large amounts of black. It is a good idea to purchase animals that have a known locality to be sure. To post multiple pictures you open two windows on your computer one for kingsnake.com and one for your photos. You can paste as many image codes into the text as you want to kinda like this.

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Will that litle one grow up pink?
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1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
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Thanks,

unfortunately you can never trust the salesman.

My old and new ones will probably be the same subspecies than.

Nice red ones by the way!!!!

regards

Hey Sighthunter,

I want to talk coachwhips with you, can you please send me an email, greenpinemuseum@yahoo.com.
Hope to hear from you!
William Huntsman

Check your E-mail I just fired you off an E-mail. I just want to make sure you get it.
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I have E-mailed you twice
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This animal could be confused with western and is from the east coast

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