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looks nice, i really like the leaf litter.
one thing though, the plants you have are allready fairly large, and will probably grow even more. when you are planting a viv keep in mind that the plants will grow, the size they are when you get them are not usually how big they are going to stay.
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RES
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Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
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Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
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American Bullfrog
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D. auratus
D. leucomelas
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0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
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Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

Thanks for the complement...Yes 3 of my 7 plants are fairly big...and i was a little worried about it... but i can always trim them back

many people are tempted to put very large plants in a newly made viv, and this can pose many problems. 1. smaller plants adapt better as they are still young, and they also "grow to the tank", i.e. creeping fig and moss will grow on top of wood and the background. 2. larger plants aren't as tolerant of change and will often go into shock. young ones will also, but they recover much faster. while trimming some plants like fig and moss works, with certain plants- broms and such it pretty much kills them. good luck with your tank and froggies!
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

While like Otis, I go for the miniaturized concept, that tank is indeed very nicely arranged and balanced. The fern on the left may or may not become difficult to control, in particular. I have a similar appearing Nephrolepis in an 80 gallon tank that regularly needs major ripping up (and some soil replacement) although it's really pretty before it gets to that stage, so I always leave some nubs of it so it can start its rampage all over again.

It's not as if using larger plants is a fatal mistake, as you can always trim and rip, or even remove and replace what doesn't work without causing any major damage to the tank or even the frogs, as long as you refresh any substrate you may need to remove, and are careful about frog escapes while you're at it. The bolder frogs even seem to get into this and may even tend to get in the way, seemingly "curious" about what's going on, but whatever stress it causes with these species that have become used to you seems to be either very temporary or actually stimulates them into new activity. I am pretty cautious with the really shy or more delicate species, although even the shy blue auratus seem to come out more after a change and trimming. I too, had to gradually learn what worked where and for how long, and I still don't hesitate to put something new to me in the newer vivariums. Nothing is ever totally perfect, so what matters over all is what both you and your frogs are happy with, both design for you, and habitat for the frogs.

When I recently did some ripping up of this same fern and a few other overgrown things in my 80 gallon P. terribilis tank, I heard them all chattering like scolding squirrels, although they didn't attempt to hide, and I'd never heard them make any noise or call before, and they're probably 3 years old. I figured that since no breeding activity or calling had ever taken place, I probably have all females. However, P. terribilis females apparently can and do vocalize. I asked a question on this on Dendroboard, and the replies indicated this was an experience others had noted, even with other species. It was my first experience with having any frogs vocalize while I was disrupting a tank, however--and I've done a lot of disrupting over the years. This is part of what makes it so much fun--discovering things for yourself. (It's also kinda fun to turn around and give advice as if you had always "known that."

All in all I think you have done an excellent job, and am truly envious of the oak bark background.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

Dendrobates: auratus blue, auratus Ancon Hill, tinctorius azureus, leucomelas. Phyllobates: vittatus, terribilis, lugubris. Epipedobates: anthonyi tricolor pasaje. Ranitomeya fantastica, imitator, reticulata. Adelphobates castaneoticus, galactonotus. Oophagia pumilio Bastimentos. (updated systematic nomenclature)

Well thank you for all the complements....This project took quite a while longer than expected..I'm just glad i can just sit back and enjoy it