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Hi everyone.

I know most species of frogs should not be mixed. But, provided I had enough space, would I be able to mix different varieties of tree frogs together? Such as Greens and Goldens? Or Greens and Cubans?

Also, how much spaced is recommended for four tree frogs?

Thanks for any advice!

no, don't mix. for 4 of which treefrogs?
for 4 greens a 15 gallon
4 cubans a 30ish gallon, maybe you could get away with a 25 gallon
goldens- what are those?
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goldens are very similar to greens... almost identical, except for the difference in color. which is why i think that they could mix well together (two greens and two goldens) in a 15 - 20 gallon.

just becuase something has the same requirements doesn't mean they can be housed together. are they so similiar that they may interbreed? i really don't know much about goldens so i can't tell you...
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

from what i have read about them, they pretty much are green tree frogs - just in a different color. so i suppose that means they could interbreed.

do they co-exist in the wild? if their latin names are the same and the "golden" type also exists in the wild in the same area as the greens i would say go for it, but i know nothing about goldens, i would do more reserch before you do anything...
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

i definately have more reading to do. thanks for the help though - im new to frogs. ive always kept reptiles.

good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

I agree, only mix them if they come from the same area in the wild. That way you know that they will have the same conditions. The only exception to this are frogs that have toxins like chubby frogs--you have to keep them isolated from other species as the toxins may kill those other species even if they are from the same area in the wild.

also only keep them together if they are in the wild together b/c you don't want to breed something that does not naturally breed in the wild.
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

>>from what i have read about them, they pretty much are green tree frogs - just in a different color. so i suppose that means they could interbreed.>>

They are actually very different species, not closely related at all. They are about as different as bullfrogs and American toads are to each other. The golden treefrogs used to be called Rhacophorus leucomystax, but they are now called Polypedates leucomystax, and they belong to the family Rhacophoridae, found only in Asia. The green treefrog is Hyla cinerea, and it belongs in the family Hylidae. Hylid frogs are closely related to Bufonids, or true toads, whereas rhacophorid frogs are closely related to Ranids, or pond frogs like the leopard frog or bullfrog. It is extremely unlikely that the green treefrog and golden treefrog will interbreed. Frogs choose mates based on mating calls, and different species have different mating calls. Further, the golden treefrog will lay eggs in foam nests on land whereas the green treefrog lays eggs in the water. So even if they pair up their different instinctive mating behaviors will prevent successful breeding. Even if a [mad?] scientist were to artificially fertilize the eggs of one species with sperms of another, their genetic differences may prevent the embryos from developing into froglets. And even if hybrids are successfully produced, they may in all likelihood be infertile. There are many barriers to interbreeding that are not easily crossed.

mixing species is a very touchy subject. the species you provided are near identical in care requirements and a found in overlaping native habitat ranges, except the cuban, which has expanded its range to the southern US thanks to people. also, the golden treefrog is a Polypedates species, which is native to southern asia and indonesia. they are a larger species , growing up to 3 1/2" and tend to be more shy than the others listed. they would be possible to mx together, but i would leave them out of the lope for now. mixing grey treefrogs, green treefrogs, spring peepers, barking treefrogs, and cuban treefrogs can and has been done with great success. you must provide plenty of large leafed plants and hiding spots in th tank, allowing them to have their own niche in the tank. unless you hand feed each frog, the cubans and barking treefrogs will tend to eat more than their share of the food provided. and hand or tong feeding smaller treefrog species is usually hit or miss, some like it, some flee and hide. below is a pic of a 70 gal e-z access tank that houses a trio of whites treefrogs and a trio of breeding crested geckos. this would be a good style setup for you treefrog tank, though it is not necessary to go as elaborate with a background a such. just proivde about 10 gals of space per frog, plenty of hiding places, good ventilation, and lots of height for climbing.

almost forgot, the larger species, ie barkers, cubans, and goldens are likely to eat the smaller species when ther is a big enough size difference

I have Cuban treefrogs in my area though havent seen them in 2 months think its only the rainy season when they are out in numbers (this is my first yr here in Florida)

When they come around its like the Mongol hoards are invading as even the house geckoes flee and the usually calling green treefrogs go silent.

I find them bit scarey looking compared to the cute green treefrogs

I have successfully kept several North American hylids together in a single enclosure (including Green and Bird-voiced Treefrogs, Southeastern Chorus Frogs, and Spring Peepers). However, this setup is much more problematic to take care of than a single species tank- it's easy for some species, especially smaller ones, to be excluded from feeding, and the larger frogs leaping about can potentially injure the smaller frogs. Some treefrogs (especially Cuban Treefrogs) readily prey on smaller frogs.

Bottom line: unless you have a very good reason to keep these frog species together (in my case, it was an educational display tank), keep them separately. It will be easier on you and on the frogs.

Where can I buy Bird-voiced Treefrogs, Southeastern Chorus Frogs, and Spring Peepers. Especially the Spring Peepers? I was listening to how they sound online and I'd like to get a couple each of those. I live in California, is there someplace I can mail order them from?