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I'm not interested in attempting such a cross but am just curious. I see lots of hybrids out there with most of the milksnake subspecies but have yet to come across a Black Milksnake Cross. With the size potential I'm surprised nobody has tried to create a hybrid that looks like something else but gets frickin' huge. Has it been tried and failed? Maybe all the crosses just end up turning black...

Personally, I prefer cornsnake or even bullsnake behavior to kingsnake behavior. At the moment, I have a clutch of 7 babies that are approximately 5/8 corn, 2/8 king, and 1/8 bull. Imagine a 6 foot long snake that looks like a scarlet king but will eat snake sausages and will neither bite nor stink on you. That's what I'm going to try to make eventually, plus snakes of the same behavior in a variety of colors and patterns that only domestic snakes can have.

Doc

Come on. Don't hold out :0

The 5 amelanistic babies look pretty much like cornsnakes. Of the 3 that have melanin, this is the one that looks least like a cornsnake. If it looks a tad oddly shaped, that's because it moved while I scanned it. Unfortunately, I have to forcefeed it and one of the amelanistic babies. I hope they will outgrow that eventually.

When these babies grow up, I intend to mate the females back to papa and the males to bullsnakes and brightly colored kingsnakes with maybe a few brother-sister crosses just to see what colors and patterns show up. It should take a least a couple more generations to start getting the really good stuff.

Bigfoot

Are you at all worried that breeding back to parents or siblings might bring out other undesired genetic anomalies? I'm not calling you out or anything, for all I know it's common practice in the hybrid field. I guess it would get a little complicated to try and produce the same hybrids using two lines though... I don't have any experience or knowledge of how to produce hybrid strains, it's not something I've ever done. Maybe my initial thoughts are irrelevant

its actually common practice to line breed(inbreed) snakes in general, not just hybrids. thats how most lines and all morphs have been established.
adam
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.2 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
2.2 pyroxgreerixruthvenixalternaxcampbellixholbrooki
0.1 hypo pyroxgreerixruthvenixalternaxcampbellixholbrooki
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
1.0 crimson corns
0.2 albino pueblacorns
0.1 striped ghosts
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

With snakes and hybridizing, if you don't combine inbreeding with outbreeding, most likely what you are going to get is not going to be particularly attractive. With what I'm doing, I have a fairly large number of genes to manipulate where I don't have a good idea of modes of inheritance of individual genes or how the genes interact. I expect a large number of culls. That's the way it is with any type of animal when one is trying to establish a breed. With snakes, if the culls are healthy and reasonably attractive, they can be sold or given to friends. The simplest thing to do with unattractive and deformed babies is to feed them to kingsnakes. Saves on the food bill.

Bigfoot

Thanks for the reply (adam too). As I said, I don't have any experience breeding hybrids and all I know about genetics stems from conservation biology. In conservation biology inbreeding is generally a bad idea so in this field I naturally was a little uneasy with the concept. Now I know

the word AKC comes to mind. how about AHHC American Hybrid Herp Club, or NHHS National Hybrid Herp Society, or WEIRDA World Ectotherm Integrade Reptile Domestication Association. just an idea!

the word AKC comes to mind. how about AHHC American Hybrid Herp Club, or NHHS National Hybrid Herp Society, or WEIRDA World Ectotherm Integrade Reptile Domestication Association. just an idea!

How about "National Herp Registry." I not only do hybrids but am trying to locality breed pure species. I'm trying to establish a line of blue racers, for instance, in which all the founding stock were caught within a quarter mile of each other. A lot of people breeding pure species are worried their lines will be contaminated with genes from other species by buying hybrids that look like the species they are breeding. Registering their breeding stock and buying only from others with registered breeding stock would largely prevent that.

Bigfoot

one of the best ideas i've heard in a long time. that would probably help with the fight aganst the herp ban.

i doubt the crosses would turn black, but i bet they would get very dark.

i ;ove dark snakes, adding black milk to any morph would make it very interesting, picture a bloodred corn that gets etremely dark with age leaving just speckles of red on a black backround.
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jake barney
1.1 ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 cal king
0.0.1 wc garter
1.o cb son