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'Thumbnails' -- Which Dendro species??..

BackBeat Mar 11, 2008 12:26 PM

Hello all,

I like to draw in my free time and am currently drawing a collage of various thumbnail frogs...

To my question...

Which Dendrobates species are classified/considered 'thumbnail' frogs??

D.lamasi
D.imitator...etc

I'm in the midst of a collage and would like to avoid adding a species that doesn't belong in the group.
(The plan is to do a second collage with the larger Dendrobates species.)

The more species the better. A large, wide variety of colours and patterns is what I'm going for.

Yes, Pumilio alone could make a great collage on its own. lol

Thanks for any info.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

Replies (3)

Slaytonp Mar 12, 2008 02:15 AM

Most of the thumbnails have been reclassified into a separate genus, Ranitomeya, defined as "small, colorful frogs with a predominately smooth dorsal skin. The genus ranks among the evolutionary highly advanced poison frogs that do not execute a cephalic amplexus, have very small clutches with relatively large eggs from which large larvae emerge. The larvae are carried individually or in small groups of phylotomata and left to fend for themselves (with the exception of some species in the R, ventrimaculata group.) It goes on, but this is the newest proposal of dividing the species into more exacting places, and hasn't been universally accepted yet. But all of these are decidedly thumbnails, in that they are about the size of a thumb nail, but aren't obligate egg layers. The difference between the pumilio types, now under Oopaga or obligate egg feeders, and the thumbnails has always been that the other small frogs like pumilio couldn't survive without parental eggs, while those of the same size, called thumbnails, could live on parental eggs, or in some species were left on their own, but didn't need the eggs to survive if there were other sources of food. The Oophaga group cannot be raised without parental feeding and care, or at least with only rare and dubious success.

Here's a list of the Ranitomeya thumbnails: Ranitomeya minuta group incluces R. abdita, altobueyensis, bombetes, claudiae, fulgurita, minuta, opisthomelas, viridus, virolinensis. The Ventrimaculata group consists of; amazonica, biolat, duellmani, fantastica, flavovittata, imitator, (with many color variations) lamasi, (also variable colors) reticulata, uakarii, vanzolinii, variabilis, ventrimaculata. Other less known species are rubrocephala, and sirensis. That's one big collage. Check out POISON FROGS, Biology, Species & Captive Husbandry--(Lotters, Junger, Henkel, Schmidt) to see photos and descriptions of all of those I've mentioned. A university science library should have a copy of this book. You may be able to find some photos of the same species, but under the Dendrobates genus, in Jerry Walls' Jewels of the Rain Forest, which is a magnificent coffee table picture book of dart frogs. It is scientifically and information-wise, out of date, but the photos are beyond compare. If you are doing an art work collage, these two places will give you some good ideas of the beauty and diversity of these frogs to work from.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

Dendrobates: auratus blue, auratus Ancon Hill, tinctorius azureus, leucomelas. Phyllobates: vittatus, terribilis, lugubris. Epipedobates: anthonyi tricolor pasaje. Ranitomeya fantastica, imitator, reticulata. Adelphobates castaneoticus, galactonotus. Oophagia pumilio Bastimentos. (updated systematic nomenclature)

BackBeat Mar 12, 2008 12:08 PM

WOW, that was ten times the info I had hoped to get.

Thanks for taking the time to share that info.

Bottom line is I'd like to have all of the species be of similair sizes.
I am not drawing something to be used for scientific study.
Priority number one is capturing the colours and patterns of these exquisite little creatures.

While I don't keep PDFs, the hours spent online gathering photos have certainly tweaked my interest in setting up a PDF vivarium with a couple of easier kept, larger species.

Thanks again for the info. I'll post a photo when I complete the collage in a few weeks/months time.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

Slaytonp Mar 12, 2008 08:59 PM

That sounds like a beautiful project. Please do get back to us and post the pictures. Here are three of mine:--fantasticus, imitator and reticulatus. You are also welcome to use any from my photo gallery here by looking under slaytonp in the dart frog category.

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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

Dendrobates: auratus blue, auratus Ancon Hill, tinctorius azureus, leucomelas. Phyllobates: vittatus, terribilis, lugubris. Epipedobates: anthonyi tricolor pasaje. Ranitomeya fantastica, imitator, reticulata. Adelphobates castaneoticus, galactonotus. Oophagia pumilio Bastimentos. (updated systematic nomenclature)

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