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Sulcata husbandry

bakercl4 Mar 22, 2008 02:44 PM

It's now spring and i'm going to be getting a baby sulcata tortoise before to long, and I've done a good amount of reading/care/husbandry/etc and i have a good understanding of it.

But, i'd like to see personal opinions from other experienced tortoise keepers so I can make sure i'm getting all the information that I possibly can to keep my baby tort a happy and healthy one.

I'm mostly curious about the amount of, and how you control humidity with your tortoises.

And what age do you recommend buying a tortoise at, i've seen that very young tortoises can sometimes be a problem to keep healthy the first few months.

And also, what kind of diet do you keep yours on.

I've heard a lot of mixed things about processed tortoise food, so I think i'm going to keep it natural with growing my own grasses and timothy hay with the addition of leefy vegetables once or twice a week with the calcium suppliments without d3 and a multivitamin suppliment twice a week with the vegtable feedings.

How often do you use your calcium suppliments? Once a day with every grass feeding, or do you vary it.

Another question I have is about the compact fluorescent uvb bulbs, does anyone have any information they can give me about those.

Or, would it be better to stick with the long fluorescent tubes in the fixtures.

I hope i'm not asking to many questions, but i've seen so much mixed information on the internet and i'm just looking for some solid sources for information.

I GREATLY appreciate any input any of you can give me, I know it's long but i'm just trying to be extremely thorough in the information I get so I can provide the best care possible for my tortoise.

Thanks everyone,
Cody.

Replies (3)

tglazie Mar 25, 2008 06:26 PM

Good to hear you're interested in sulcatas. I think you'll find they're a very satisfying and very surprising pet. Even when I was twelve and got my first sulcata, I had no idea how big the guy would get. Sure, I had read about a two hundred pound tank, but my sole instinct was as to how "cool" it would be. Now, it certainly is cool, but it is also a lot of work.

As to your first question regarding humidity, sulcatas don't need much of it. The means by which they provide humidity is by hiding. Sulcatas must be able to create their own humid micro climate, and they achieve this in a close fitting shelter. These tortoises also burrow to achieve this micro climate, and burrowing within a shelter is not at all uncommon. Despite their lack of humidity requirement, I've generally found sulcatas to do rather well in humid environments, so long as there is plenty of warmth to match. If your local climate is too cool (regularly below seventy degrees F), I would recommend indoor enclosures, or simply that you consider another species of tortoise. Keep in mind that sulcatas get very large, and indoor enclosures are a messy option. I've personally never attempted creating an extensive indoor environment, but the luxury of South Texas weather permits me such privelege. Your climate conditions will determine how you should proceed.

Always buy an older tortoise, the older, the better, generally speaking. So long as the animal is beyond the four inch range, they are usually bullet proof. Hatchlings these days are not to be trusted in my opinion. Two summers ago, I purchased ten hatchlings, and none of them survived the summer, all of them becoming listless, inactive, and despite over five hundred dollars in vet costs, I lost all of them. Considering that these animals in the wild have a ninety eight percent mortality rate, it is best to see which ones start growing and thriving.

As for diet, natural graze is best. During the summers, I only feed large quantities of lettuce, zuchini, kale, collard greens, and other assorted greens every two days (avoid spinach, rhubarb, corn, alfalfa, and most fruits, as these contain too much sugar, protein, or mineral binding compounds). If your local market sells dandelion greens and/or spineless prickly pear cactus pads, tortoises also eat these. I've noticed that the younger animals tend not to favor the cactus, but my older boys take it with relish. During the winter time, supplement and feed with less frequency. Determine this by the animal's weight (you want to minimize weight loss; weight gain is not typical during winter months, as the shortened day length tends to produce greater inactivity). It is entirely possible, and highly advisable, to grow plants for your tortoises. I have several mulberry and hibiscus bushes in my backyard (tortoises love the leaves and fruits of these). I spread dandelion seed everywhere, along with buffalo grass, winter grass, and rye grass seed. I also have several althea plants, which produce prodigious amounts of flowers during the summer months that all tortoise species seem to love (I've kept russians, redfoots, yellowfoots, hingebacks, greeks, marginateds, and sulcatas, and all of them love the flower of this plant).

Calcium supplementation depends upon local soil conditions as well as the frequency of access to sunlight. My tortoises spend most of their time outdoors, so I generally supplement their diets with Herptivite and Repcal every other feeding (i.e. once per week). However, if your animal is indoors and fed a larger proportion of kitchen greens, supplement at least twice per week. As I said, soil conditions determine the amount of calcium supplementation required. South Texas soil is riddled with limestone. Ergo, all of the grasses and plants in the enclosure are full of calcium.

I tend to stay away from processed foods with sulcatas. They are too expensive, especially compared to greens. Also, they are too high in protein. In addition to this, sulcatas tend to develop addictive type dietary habits, refusing all greens in favor of commercial diets, fruits, or whatever high nutrition food offered. Perhaps as a treat, they can be useful, but even as such, I don't see this going over too well. You want to make your sulcatas work for their food. Keep in mind that in the Sahel regions where these tortoises come from, there are not fruit trees or caring humans with monkey buscuits in their overcoats. Their home is a region in which survival is a daily struggle, and where thorny bushes, dry grasses, and succulent plants form the bulk of their diet. If you want to toss them a treat, grind up some squash. When they get big enough, smash your jackolantern in your back yard (removing accumulated wax, ofcourse) and watch them go at it.

I generally don't use uvb bulbs, though I do utilize them during the winter months with my younger tortoises. I use long reptisun tubes in conjunction with infrared lamps purchased at home depot. I change out the tubes every fall. I have no experience with compact, combined heat/light sources. Keep in mind, however, that there is no substitute for natural sunlight. Every animal I have seen raised under the sun looks infinitely better, stronger, and livlier than any beast kept in an indoor enclosure. If this is impossible, perhaps you should consider another species, such as a russian tortoise. However, if you have the acreage and the sun on your side, sulcatas could be right for you.

bakercl4 Mar 25, 2008 08:51 PM

Wow, that is probably one of the best responses i've ever received from someone.

That helped me more then most of the reading I have ever done about sulcatas.

I live in north texas, it gets chilly during the fall/winter months but after that it's perfect.

Once again, thank you for taking all your time in replying in that much detail. It really helped a lot.

dawgcr Mar 28, 2008 12:37 PM

Man oh man!! That was a great article Tglazie!!

I would only have to say that hatchling Sulcatas can be just as much fun as a sub-adult or adult Sulcatas. I've had 3 hatchlings and not a problem with one. I remember we talked awhile back about you losing all your babies and that was bizarre, but I would just recommend that if you do purchase a hatchling purchase it from someone who you can see/learn from. Go check out their tortoises, look at the environment, check out the sub adult tortoises - do they look healthy?
If there are a few in the batch that look sick or lame--DO NOT PURCHASE. Good chance your little fellar would end up with a sickness.

If you do pick out a baby check to make sure the eyes are clear and no drainage from the eyes or mouth. Make sure they are active and not limp or lame.

Natural sunlight with access to shade is the best stimulant for any animal and it should obtain enough Vitamin D whereas you wouldn't have to supplement. I think if you have them on well rounded diets you wouldn't have to supplement with either one.

Good luck--keep us updated.

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