Does the female have spurs? Cause i have read that only the male has spurs. Does anyone have a female dum that can answer this question?
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Does the female have spurs? Cause i have read that only the male has spurs. Does anyone have a female dum that can answer this question?
Males have spurs, females do not. Although I've seen people say they have a female with spurs, I've never seen that followed up with....PROVEN breeder! I've used this method to sex hundreds of Dumerils and in over 15 years of keeping them, I've never seen it fail. Sometimes baby males can be tough to see if you aren't looking exactly where they should be, so I can see where people would make initial mistakes, but as they mature they become much easier to find. I've had people try to sell me "females" with spurs at shows before and you can tell them all day long it's a male, but if they're behind the table they're the "expert" I guess??? LMAO, best part about these "experts" is everytime my daughter tells one of them she has Chameleons, they find it necessary to instruct her on proper care. So, according to the last "expert" any Veiled eggs she gets will hatch in ONLY 30 DAYS!!!! Our last clutch was over 200 days, so we're definitely wanting to learn this guys secrets!
Side note....it is possible for males to lose spurs, but this would be a rare exception in my opinion. I had a male lose one this season breeding. If they were to lose both, then yeah, you'd have a male with no spurs, but how often will you come across this?????? I also have a PROVEN female with follicles currently "courting" other females(I breed 1.2 and 1.3 groups-multiple females/not multiple males). I'm pretty interested to see how that turns out and try to figure out why she's doing it.
Paul, about your female courting other females while she is developing follicles... unfortunately I do not have the experience I wish I had in reptile reproduction management, (I think I told you before, but it has been forever-and-a-day since I have posted in here...) I am a senior in college, majoring in Food Animal Science (livestock species), and I'm really way too interested in all of the repro courses....
That being said, it is a fairly common marker of estrus in cattle for a female that is in estrus to mount other females... and for other females in estrus to allow themselves to be mounted. One reason for this is that physiologically, at estrus, female mammals actually exhibit a few behaviors that are usually associated with testosterone - and chemically, cholesterol is made into progesterone, which is made into testosterone, which is made into estrogen... so females in estrus (point of high estrogen in the cycle) will have to be making significant amounts of testosterone in order to make the necessary amounts of estrogen. This is all off the top of my head, so I can't cite any amounts of anything, or time involved. These behaviors are also seen in cattle in association with COD (cystic ovarian disease) - where more testosterone is made and retained than made into estrogen.
Very interesting that you put one male with multiple females at the same time! What made you decide to use that arrangement? From the behavior standpoint, one female courting another might just stimulate some actual breeding activity (as in with a male). *shrug* I don't know.
I would think that reptiles' hormones involved in reproduction should be very similar if not completely identical to mammals'. At the stage where your female is producing follicles but has not yet ovulated, I would think she would be having a huge increase in estrogen until she does ovulate. I would not automatically think that she would be cystic. I would be really interested in seeing if she ends up having a huge litter this year! Be sure to put her with a male you have faith in.
Would this be an older female, or a younger female in her first breeding season? Let us know how this goes!
~Rebecca
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1.0.0 Dumeril's Boa '04
1.1.1 Ball Pythons
[1.0.0 '05 Orange Hypo (Specter)]
[0.1.0 '05 Het Orange Hypo (Sylvia)]
[0.0.1 '03 Normal (Sue)]
0.2 American Pit Bull Terriers (40lb darling lap dogs:Brandy&Mara)
Hey, sorry I just noticed your reply. Sent you an e-mail in case you don't scroll back down to this thread. Take care and thanks for the great info!
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