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Are Blackeyed susans edible

timd35 May 21, 2008 03:26 PM

Howdy! I have a couple of edible and poison plant lists and don't see Rudbeckia on either one. Can you someone tell me if they are ok to feed? Also, if you know of any other Central TX wildflowers that are ok, I would appreciate that too.

Thanks!

Tim

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timd35 Jun 02, 2008 11:31 PM

ok...well, it says this is a hot topic, but I don't see any responses!!

amazonreptile Jun 08, 2008 10:39 PM

>>ok...well, it says this is a hot topic, but I don't see any responses!!

It is likely I am going to take a lot of heat for this. I have kept tortoises for 15 of my 27 years of keeping reptiles so this comes from some experience. I will first give a broad answer and will answer specifically below.

If a tortoise eats it, it is safe for them to eat. Nothing more to know. If they don't eat it it does not matter if it is toxic or edible. They wont eat it so it does not matter!

The animals know what is good and what is bad. Perhaps by smell or small sample. I hear so much "is this safe...?" or "is this toxic...?" stuff. The internet is clogged with lists of "approved plants". I simply don't understand. Does everyone believe in the habitats of tortoises worldwide that there are no toxic plants? Of course there are.

I had a visitor to my tortoise yard some years ago. She was appalled and I was rapidly and forcefully informed all my tortoises would soon perish. She found a small morning glory (a human-toxic plant) growing amongst a weed bed on the edge of my yard. Her perspective was if it was merely in the yard this plant would somehow kill them.

So, of course because the yard had morning glory this woman absolutely knew all my tortoises were going to die!

Heck, while morning glory is toxic to humans it may very well be safe for tortoises. Rock Iguanas in the Caribbean eat toxic plants to control internal parasites. Cyclura cornuta and C. carinata are known to feed extensively upon the fruits and leaves of the manchineel (Hippomane mancinella) and the fruit of the poisonwood tree (Metopium toxiferum), both of which contain powerful alkaloid toxins (Wiewandt, 1977 and Iverson, 1979).

In fact, my observation "if it is not safe they won't eat it" is the reason I had a weed bed. All the plants in that patch were/are not eaten by the tortoises, including the morning glory. Thus, I had a patch of weeds.

Fifteen years later (todays observation) the very same tortoises are still roaming my yard, eating growing, and laying eggs. Tortoises do not eat toxic plants and they do not die simply because a toxic plant is in the pen with them.

The direct answer to your specific question is. if this is your plant, then yes those flowers are safe. I hope this is useful.

[url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Vo-B_g5Sm7oC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=cyclura toxic plants&source=web&ots=BG3GULBIRn&sig=3zlOO6m9k3sd_NO29bzQ83mFug8&hl=en]Here is a link to more data on toxic plants in Rock Iguanas[/url}

Best wishes.

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timd35 Jun 11, 2008 12:55 PM

Thanks for the post. I have often wondered about your premise yourself. I have raised box turtles and have never had a problem eating any of the toxic plants in their environment.

I thought the same might be true of the sulcatas too, but wasn't sure. It is pretty common sense though.

Again thanks for your comments.

amazonreptile Jun 13, 2008 12:25 PM

It is pretty common sense though.Again thanks for your comments.

You are right. It is common sense. The problem? Passion has taken over from common sense. It is important to have reverence for the animals. It is important to be passionate about them. It is also important to utilize common sense.

Common sense most not be replaced by passion. The must work together.
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