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Anyone ever hear of another one of these? I haven't..
Pink with blue eyes.
Found in New Jersey.
This bad girl had 7 babies the other day.

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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com

Before your post I had never really been drawn to this species. That is absolutely beautiful. Did you find it yourself or did someone else find it? It will be very interesting to see what happens when you cross the offspring together...

Someone was asking about Storeria morphs on here a while back, maybe it was Wayne. In either case Wayne will be very interested.

The person's name who collected the snake is Dan Guy.
He still has her.
He offered me the babies, as I'm super interested in breeding them together.
Hopefully he can maintain the snake successfully. I spent a good while talking to him on the phone telling him what to do and what not to do, it'd be a shame to see that thing go to waste.

And when it comes to morphs...
There was a baby albino found in Georgia last year.
It was released where it was found.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com

""Someone was asking about Storeria morphs on here a while back, maybe it was Wayne. In either case Wayne will be very interested.""

OMG!!! yes Wayne is very interested, and I agree with Mike, I hope all is well and stays well.

Hey Mike, I have a fully Melanistic occipitomaculata (even it's belly is black as coal) on the way.

A friend found it while herping.

If you would like I have a couple photos.

Regards,
Wayne
Dances With Reptiles

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1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cane" Rescue
0.1.0 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (seven egg clutch!)
1.2.3 Storeria dekayi Casper, Xena, Athena, & Kids (30 plus released!)
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Hets
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.6 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.16 Thamnophis sirtalis - newborn Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.17 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
1.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis CB "Flame" & Melanistic Scott Felzer
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided
1.2.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue) 2 females recently aquired.
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC
0.1.0 Storeria occipitomaculata - Red Belly snake (Her children were raised & released)
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Juvinile CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Growing fast!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris" WC dropping eggs fast!
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
2.4.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

Sure, show me some pics...
I have a feeling it's not a true melanistic, just one of the color phases.
I have seen some really dark ones.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com

Melanistic Red Belly Snake

Also Mike, I would like to also point out to you, Let's keep an open dialog going, there is not a lot of us who consider the wee little ones of any significance.

But if your going to condecend every time I try to talk to you, it makes it hard to continue.

That is one reason I want to attempt breeding this black beauty,
No one seems all that interested in doing much with these.

I can go on line and order almost anything Melanistic, snow, piebald or otherwise, but not a Storeria!

Dances With Reptiles

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1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cane" Rescue
0.1.0 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (seven egg clutch!)
1.2.3 Storeria dekayi Casper, Xena, Athena, & Kids (30 plus released!)
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Hets
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.6 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.16 Thamnophis sirtalis - newborn Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.17 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
1.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis CB "Flame" & Melanistic Scott Felzer
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided
1.2.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue) 2 females recently aquired.
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC
0.1.0 Storeria occipitomaculata - Red Belly snake (Her children were raised & released)
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Juvinile CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Growing fast!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris" WC dropping eggs fast!
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
2.4.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

A little off topic but here is a reference about some "partial albino" red-bellied snakes found in VT. I hadn't even heard of this (living in VT) until just a few minutes ago when I did a search for melanistic red-bellied snake and it was the first result!
Link

That snake isn't rare...
It's just a color phase...
Technically not melanistic.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com

May I please see pictures of yours??
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1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cane" Rescue
0.1.0 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (seven egg clutch!)
1.2.3 Storeria dekayi Casper, Xena, Athena, & Kids (30 plus released!)
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Hets
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.6 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.16 Thamnophis sirtalis - newborn Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.17 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
1.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis CB "Flame" & Melanistic Scott Felzer
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided
1.2.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue) 2 females recently aquired.
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC
0.1.0 Storeria occipitomaculata - Red Belly snake (Her children were raised & released)
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Juvinile CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Growing fast!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris" WC dropping eggs fast!
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
2.4.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

Wayne that is a neat looking redbelly. I have found many redbellies over the years, tan ones, gray ones, black ones, striped ones, red bellies, orange bellies, even one dull yellow belly, but never one with a black belly. The field guide I have does say "a few are black, and in extreme cases the belly may be blue-black". Very nice.

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Joe

I've never seen nor heard of a black one nor a red one like that pic.......

sweet both they are.........

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The choice of substrate, and that water bother me.

Sand is a big NO NO, I certainly hope this gal is not being fed in there, Sand will stick to slugs and worms like glue.

Regards,
Wayne A. Harvey
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1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cane" Rescue
0.1.0 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (seven egg clutch!)
1.2.3 Storeria dekayi Casper, Xena, Athena, & Kids (30 plus released!)
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Hets
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.6 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.16 Thamnophis sirtalis - newborn Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.17 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
1.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis CB "Flame" & Melanistic Scott Felzer
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided
1.2.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue) 2 females recently aquired.
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC
0.1.0 Storeria occipitomaculata - Red Belly snake (Her children were raised & released)
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Juvinile CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Growing fast!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris" WC dropping eggs fast!
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
2.4.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

I'm assuming they must have been born with normal coloring, right? Or Not! How does that work anyway?...and whats the procedure for producing more Leucistics from this one? Raise the babies and breed them to the mother??? Great to see it! Nice lookin little snake. TJ.

TJ, the babies came out normal colored. Meaning the mother bred with a normal brown snake without the leucistic gene in the wild.
To produce more leucistics you could breed the babies back to each other, or to the mother, all the babies would technically have the leucistic trait.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com

I hate to think it...but is it legal in NJ to take these from the wild?
if you put time in them only to have DNR or whatever NJ has to come to your home, take them,and arrest you....even if you sold it to people in other states....

kinda like they took the leucistic hognoses from people all over the place...

......and this is now a one of a kind snake with photo ID of it on file......

the babies are brown......

.......LOL..........
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Posted by: jyohe at Sat Aug 9 19:45:01 2008 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ]

I hate to think it...but is it legal in NJ to take these from the wild?
if you put time in them only to have DNR or whatever NJ has to come to your home, take them,and arrest you....even if you sold it to people in other states....

kinda like they took the leucistic hognoses from people all over the place...

......and this is now a one of a kind snake with photo ID of it on file......

the babies are brown......

.......LOL..........
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I imagine if the person who has the snake called the authorities on himself than it would be a problem lol

I am drooling all over this thread!! Nice snakes!!
The leucistic is very nice!! I believe Waynes snake to be a true Melanistic...
And the red is super nice too!
I agree with Wayne. The sand and water bother me as well. Doesn't seem at all safe.

That's pretty darn cool Mike,.....also, have you seen the crazy "Calico" leucistic corn that was recently caught in South Carolina?,.....that thing is really unbelievable!!

Good luck with producing more of those leucy DeKay's!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"