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Who was looking for zonata in Palos Verd

markg Sep 09, 2008 12:45 AM

I live in the Palos Verdes area and have been searching for zonata there for years, based on sketchy eye-witness accounts from a long time ago. I mainly targeted one canyon that has some riparian habitat not characteristic of the area (looks more like the Santa Monica Mtns). I doubted the zonata presence then and still do now, but I look each year nonetheless.

A volunteer at a nature center told me that last week he ran into a photographer investigating the possibility of mountain kingsnakes in the area. Does anyone know who that might be? I am curious as all heck. If you're out there, I can show you an area where one was sighted (supposedly). Near there I have seen a Western skink (not a common lizard in PV at all, which makes me wonder..) and have heard reports of a night snake found there (a reptile unheard of in the area until this sighting.)
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Mark

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CKing Sep 26, 2008 11:23 PM

Based on mtDNA data of Rodriguez-Robles et al., the Mountain kingsnakes of southern California in the area now occupied by L. z. pulchra and L. z. parvirubra had been wiped out by some catastrophic event in the past. At that time these snakes probably were indistinguishable from L. z. agalma because this species appears to be quite conservative morphologically and quite close to the ancestral condition, which it shares with L. z. multifasciata. L. z. agalma retreated to the northern Baja California. The same catastrophic event also appeared to have wiped much of southern California clean of Charina bottae.

Subsequently the species recovered from its refuge in the northern Baja California area and expanded northward and then westward. The path appears to be from the area now occupied by L. z. agalma north to San Diego County. From there the migration took 2 divergent routes. One of these was the coastal route, where it apparently ended in Orange County. Zweifel thought that the mountain kings of the Santa Monica Mountains was L. z. pulchra, but mtDNA suggests that the Santa Monica Mountain king is a derivative of a population of the nearby San Gabriel Mountains. The San Gabriel Mountain kings in turn are derived from the San Bernardino Mountain kings, which in turn came from the mountains of San Diego County via the Palomar Mountains. Interestingly, Lichanura trivirgata, a close relative of Charina bottae, also originated from northern Baja California and it also expanded northward into San Diego and westward into the San Gabriel Mountains.

Based on this data, it would appear unlikely that either the coastal migration or the transverse mountain migration ended up in the Palos Verdes area. Of course anything is possible. There may well be mountain kings in that area, but based on the migration routes of L. zonata in southern California, as revealed by mtDNA data, the likelihood would seem to be low.

JKruse Oct 01, 2008 10:14 PM

Regarding this "catastrophic event"? I have read some of Robles-Rodrigues work and have not found any definitive answer, and I've also not researched futher into it. Too much of the past distracts from "the now" I always say, but it is important to know IMO. Good stuff though.


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Jerry Kruse

"There is beauty in simplicity." -- Jerry Kruse, day 22 in solitary.

CKing Oct 04, 2008 12:33 AM

>>Regarding this "catastrophic event"? I have read some of Robles-Rodrigues work and have not found any definitive answer, and I've also not researched futher into it. Too much of the past distracts from "the now" I always say, but it is important to know IMO. Good stuff though.>>

The past catastrophic event was probably the expansion of the Mojave Desert. IIRC, the Mojave Desert once extended into Oregon and possibly beyond, according to some geology articles that I came across. There is evidence that the distribution of Ensatina was also affected by this catastrophe. Ensatina eschscholtzii croceator, for example, is probably most closely related to E. e. klauberi, but the blotched forms of Ensatina are absent from the San Gabriel Mountains. Instead, the Monterey Salamander (E. e. eschscholtzii) is found in the San Gabriels. Quite obviously this past catastrophe must have wiped most of the mountains of Southern California (including the San Gabriels, Santa Monicas and Santa Ana Mts.) clean of the blotched forms of Ensatina, enabling the Monterey salamander to colonize this area at a later date. Just like L. zonata, Ensatina may have taken refuge in the mountains of northern Baja California and then expanded northward back into the mountains of San Diego, just as L. z. agalma did before evolving into L. z. pulchra.

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