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Has anyone been able to find a list of species allowed in the state without getting a vr.
I have heard many different rumors, but nothing in writing.,

Thanks
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The following is the definition of a venomous reptile for Florida regulations. The last sentence states that the only regulated rear-fanged species (ones that require a venomous license) are Keelbacks (Rhabdophis), all Boiga, Boomslangs, Twig or Bird snakes and Stiletto snakes. Everything else is fair game.

68A-1.004 Definitions.
(93) Venomous reptile – All members of the class Reptilia including their taxonomic successors, subspecies, or any hybrid thereof, regardless of surgical alteration, determined to have the potential to cause serious human injury due to the toxic effects of its venom or poison. Including all venomous reptiles of the class Reptilia belonging to the families Elapidae, Crotalidae, Viperidae, and Hydrophiidae; all reptiles in the genus Heloderma; and all reptiles in the family Colubridae belonging to the genera: Rhabdophis, Boiga, Dispholidus, Thelatornis, and Atractapsis.

>>The following is the definition of a venomous reptile for Florida regulations. The last sentence states that the only regulated rear-fanged species (ones that require a venomous license) are Keelbacks (Rhabdophis), all Boiga, Boomslangs, Twig or Bird snakes and Stiletto snakes. Everything else is fair game.
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>>68A-1.004 Definitions.
>>(93) Venomous reptile – All members of the class Reptilia including their taxonomic successors, subspecies, or any hybrid thereof, regardless of surgical alteration, determined to have the potential to cause serious human injury due to the toxic effects of its venom or poison. Including all venomous reptiles of the class Reptilia belonging to the families Elapidae, Crotalidae, Viperidae, and Hydrophiidae; all reptiles in the genus Heloderma; and all reptiles in the family Colubridae belonging to the genera: Rhabdophis, Boiga, Dispholidus, Thelatornis, and Atractapsis.
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Thank you very much. I really appreciate your effort. Todd
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Todd,

Is there some confusion among Florida keepers and/or vendors regarding this?

I ask because I recently inquired about buying a pair of Rhamphiophis from a Florida dealer and they indicated they "had" to sell and ship them as venomous and that if I were buying them in person I would require a Florida venomous permit.

But a few other Florida vendors have sold the same species in the past few months and have not required venomous shipping.
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Currently keeping:

6.10 Gonyosoma oxycephalum (Javan, mixed colors)

0.0.4 Rhynchophis boulengeri

1.1 Philodryas baroni

1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum multistriata

0.0.1 Rhamphiophis rubropunctatus

0.0.2 Morelia viridis (Aru & Merauke locale types)

1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback

I would definately say that there is some confusion. I have kept venomous for years thinking that virtually all rear-fanged snakes were considered venomous in the state of Florida. Many florida dealers list ANY rear-fanged in their venomous section, presumably for the same reason.

No clarification was provided on the venomous issue until a proposol was made by Florida Game and Freshwater Fish Comission in 2007. I only found the ruling the day before my first response to this post. I emailed the head of Florida's Venomous Reptile Department and received a response from Captain West, the second in command for the state. It was reproduced in the first reply.

Basically the species you are requesting do not require a Venomous Reptile License in the state of Florida. I believe informing vendors of the above ruling would clear the confusion that has many vendors playing it safe due to lack of understanding.

Hope this helps.

>>I would definately say that there is some confusion. I have kept venomous for years thinking that virtually all rear-fanged snakes were considered venomous in the state of Florida. Many florida dealers list ANY rear-fanged in their venomous section, presumably for the same reason.
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>>No clarification was provided on the venomous issue until a proposol was made by Florida Game and Freshwater Fish Comission in 2007. I only found the ruling the day before my first response to this post. I emailed the head of Florida's Venomous Reptile Department and received a response from Captain West, the second in command for the state. It was reproduced in the first reply.
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>>Basically the species you are requesting do not require a Venomous Reptile License in the state of Florida. I believe informing vendors of the above ruling would clear the confusion that has many vendors playing it safe due to lack of understanding.
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>>Hope this helps.

This all started when a poster on another forum said she heard people were getting questioned when they were selling Tri color hogs. I think alot of this stems from no pure definition and the one that was provided was really hidden. I have looked at Mussuranas. I have seen them sold in the state, but I know of one breeder outside the state that thought he couldn't ship in. The main thing I saw before was they labeled medically significant. But that depends on who gets envenomeated. I always like clear definitions. There is alot of misinformation. And alot depends on the officer that you come i contact with. I remember I was told in Daytona. If I moved a turtle off the road during a certain time of year I could be arrested for being in possession of that turtle. Even if I was saving his life. I smiled and said I would take my chances.
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This is "THE" most helpfull post I've read all year! Thank you so much! It is almost impossible to find the correct answer to this dilema. Where is that statute found? Is it in some manual, or does it just exist in the letter you recieved. I think it is important to make sure everyone is aware of this decision, because so many people are hesitant to get any rear fanged snakes, not knowing if they require special permits due to the venom. I have seen posts on other forums which actually say, that Florida makes no distinction, between rear fanged, and other more dangerous snakes. I will definately spread the word. It would be helpfull if I knew where that is taken from. Thanks so much, I just recieved a pair of powder blue Baron's and now I feel much better about it, lol!
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I see this post is pretty old. Hopefully I can still get a response?
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What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com