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HELP... what is this???

z3speed4me Jan 28, 2009 06:14 PM

Hey everyone... haven't posted in a while...

My one chondro just had a real bad shed, I have been helping him get it off for the last 2 days. No idea why, nothing has changed in the enclosure, but anyway. When I was looking at him closer I noticed this stuff around his mouth... It seems like it will detach, but I dont want to pull it or anything because I dont know if I am hurting him or what it is.

Can someone please tell me what this is, have you seen it? Is it just some skin that was around his mouth, or is is rot, which I really hope it isnt.... it seemed like he has a loose tooth in the front of his mouth by where he flicks his tongue too, but I think it came out because I didnt see it when I opened his mouth up.

What can I / What should I do??? Should I attempt to feed?
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Replies (3)

jungledancer Jan 28, 2009 07:25 PM

If you've never treated/dealt with mouth rot your best bet would be to have a vet do the initial clean up and show you how to treat your snake. These infections are usually secondary to something else that is going on and it may need to be treated with a course of antibiotics to be able to clear this up completely in addition to debriding/treating the mouth.

I do not think your snake is going to want to eat while his mouth is this bad, the teeth/jaw can be affected when the "rot" gets as bad as in your picture.

Brandon Osborne Jan 28, 2009 09:50 PM

It appears to me to be mucus or mouth rot. I've seen it before and although it can be difficult to treat, you can start by cleaning it out with a cotton swab and applying diluted peroxide to the area. After cleaning it with the peroxide, use another swab to apply a thin coating of Neosporin or any triple anti-biotic ointment. Do not use the cream ointment. It should be cleaned once a day. Keep an eye on it and if symptoms do not get better within a few days, I would advise a vet visit as Cathy did. As she mentioned, symptoms are usually caused by another underlying condition. A slight RI has been known to cause stomatisis or excess mucus around the mouth. This can also cause the teeth to become loose.

Good luck.
Brandon
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Kelly_Haller Jan 31, 2009 01:05 PM

Studies have shown hydrogen peroxide to cause some minor tissue damage and it also appears to slow the healing process by damaging the cells needed for wound repair. Diluted Betadine or better yet, a 0.05% chlorhexidine diacetate solution would be easier on the tissue than H2O2 and be more effective. Actually, the best topical treatment for stomatitis is a water debridement and then a topical application of Polysporin or Neosporin. Just make sure that the ointment contains at least 10,000 units of polymyxin as this antibiotic has the greatest effect on the gram negative bacteria responsible for these infections. Also, as Brandon stated, do not use the cream form. In the case of this python, the infection may have moved past the point of effective topical treatment, and systemic antibiotics may be required.

See the excerpt below that I pulled from a medical site a few years ago for a more detailed explanation on H2O2 use:

"Hydrogen peroxide is less used now as a debriding agent than in the past. When hydrogen peroxide is applied to a wound it combines with catalase produced in the tissues and decomposes into oxygen and water, producing effervescence (Potter and Perry, 1993). The rationale was that this helps to loosen materials that might hinder wound recovery and enables them to be washed off more readily. Six-percent w/v hydrogen peroxide (known as ' 20 volume' solution) liberates twenty times its own volume of oxygen upon decomposition (Thomas, 1990a), and is generally diluted 1 in 3 for the irrigation of wounds. The release of oxygen also kills some anaerobic bacteria such as the tetanus bacillus or Escherichia coli that might otherwise infect the wound. This anti-microbial action of hydrogen peroxide can be amplified 100-fold by the addition of L-cysteine (Berglin et al, 1982)."

"The problem with hydrogen peroxide and some other traditional debriding agents is that they also damage the healthy cells (keratinocytes and fibroblasts) that are needed for wound healing and inhibit their necessary migration into the damaged area (Tatnall, Leigh, and Gibson, 1990; Tatnall, Leigh, and Gibson, 1991; O'Toole, Goel, and Woodley, 1996). In current practice the emphasis has moved away from the use of cytotoxic materials to those which promote healing, including the use of natural signalling molecules such as platelet-derived growth factor (Higgins and Ashry, 1995). In the British National Formulary (1996) hydrogen peroxide is now listed under "Astringents, oxidisers and dyes", and not as a desloughing agent. The application of hydrogen peroxide has been replaced with the use of a physiological saline wash for removal of necrotic tissue."

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