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why do I do this to myself....

53kw Feb 24, 2009 03:50 PM

Just don't have enough coachwhips and racers. I know, I'll get a nice female for my pink male Western Coachwhips. OOO! There's one in the classifieds--I'll buy it. Good idea.

She arrived and ate the first day....OK, that's good. Then she ate just about every day for a few weeks....even better--need to fatten her up before her boyfriends come out of hibernation. Then she started eating defrosted mice from tongs--super! What a good snake.

Then....she decided she liked live better. Coachwhips are all divas. They think they're temperamental thoroughbred racehorses--moody, jittery, don't like the furniture rearranged. Not like boas--boas just take what comes but coachwhips, uh-uh.

I'm hooked, and she is a beauty. She'll make a fine mate for my pink males but...what exactly is the endgame here? The best outcome would be to have hatchling red coachwhips, which means....more coachwhips. Hatchling coachwhips.

Hatchling coachwhips can be very difficult to get feeding in captivity. A few will accept live or even defrosted mice right away, but most prefer lizards if they eat at all. The real holdouts will need mouse tails forced down their throats until their digestive systems become really active and they become more concerned over being hungry than being stubborn, which can take weeks or months. Times about 8 or 11 hatchlings, a typical clutch size, assuming all eggs hatch. Plus the original diva adults. I either need more stress or less hair. Or both--why not just both?

Bring it.

(Here's the new girl. Doesn't she have a sweet face? Maybe not so much?)

Replies (6)

tokaysrnice Feb 25, 2009 08:58 AM

Nice piceus!
Good little story to, I take it your males are piceus?
Nate

KevColubrid Feb 25, 2009 10:37 AM

DAMN! I have a male piceus that I need to pair up, she would have been perfect. Nice snake.

Kevin

53kw Feb 26, 2009 05:14 PM

..some, although I disagree with separating subspecies on the basis of color alone. I find that all populations of Western Coachwhips I have seen are capable of producing all color morphs. Sibling animals can be of different color morphs, which would make siblings different subspecies by the logic of color classification. Regional origins are of little value in defining subspecies unless there are other conditions present such as climate variations which the subspecies under discussion has specifically adapted to, etc.

I have seen a similar tendency among entomologists to name subspecies based on appearance. I know enough about entomologists to know that in many instances, naming additional subspecies has more to do with a desire for authorship, or to claim that a collection is diverse when in fact it's made up of nothing more than color variations of one species.

My current postition is that the so-called subspecies of the Western Coachwhip are no more to each other than the striped and banded phases of the California Kingsnake, once thought to be separate subspecies, or the phases of the Grey-Banded Kingsnake, once thought to be separate species. Perhaps future studies will change my mind, especially if DNA evidence shows reliable regionally aligned inheritance of regional characters.

KevColubrid Feb 27, 2009 01:56 PM

Could you post some pictures? I'd like to compare to mine on pattern/color.

Kevin

jodscovry Feb 27, 2009 04:58 PM

Nice Piceus... Dont worry you wont have any trouble getting rid of all those little babies, I'll take a few off your hands myself, I happen to raise easterns, do you find that mouse tails are enought to put on weight, I force a small lizards head into their mouths and they usally take over and consume the rest on their own, have you no lizards out there? JB

snakemaster24 Mar 12, 2009 11:55 PM

>>Nice Piceus... Dont worry you wont have any trouble getting rid of all those little babies, I'll take a few off your hands myself, I happen to raise easterns, do you find that mouse tails are enought to put on weight, I force a small lizards head into their mouths and they usally take over and consume the rest on their own, have you no lizards out there? JB
>>

I also may take one or two!

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