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I have a pair of cresties that i am currently breeding. They both came from Patterson reptiles 3 years ago for the female, 2 for the male. The male has 12 toes! There are extra toes (equipped with claws) on his rear feet, extending from his last toes. This interested me, especially when i hatched out my first batch of babies, and my holdback has 11 toes. Has anyone else experienced this? I think its pretty cool....hopefully the babies are healthy *they seem to be and the parents are VERY well.....could this possibly lead to some sort of strange morph?

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"Brains for dinner, brains for lunch. Brains for breakfast, brains for brunch. Brains for every single meal; why can't we have some GUTS?"-Misfits

1.0 ball python- Azazel
0.0.1 Yellow phase ATB- Devilin Hisseyes
0.4 leos- Boji, Sanjae, fae and Kodama
0.1 beardie- Indie
1.1.3 crested geckos- Jubeh and Inari aaand the babies
0.1 leucistic texas ratsnake-Ojo
1.0 whites tree frog- Sifaka
0.1 Transpecos ratsnake- Cleo
0.1 Senegal chameleon- Ambaji
1.0 Ruthven's X Thaeri king- Kemushi
0.1 pacific parrolet- Mishka
1.1 cats- Cairo and Oberon
1.0 crown tail betta- Lazarus
1.0 Husband (hes my favorite, but i dont let the 'kids' know that. )

the hatchling in the second pic is the one with the extra toe...
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"Brains for dinner, brains for lunch. Brains for breakfast, brains for brunch. Brains for every single meal; why can't we have some GUTS?"-Misfits

1.0 ball python- Azazel
0.0.1 Yellow phase ATB- Devilin Hisseyes
0.4 leos- Boji, Sanjae, fae and Kodama
0.1 beardie- Indie
1.1.3 crested geckos- Jubeh and Inari aaand the babies
0.1 leucistic texas ratsnake-Ojo
1.0 whites tree frog- Sifaka
0.1 Transpecos ratsnake- Cleo
0.1 Senegal chameleon- Ambaji
1.0 Ruthven's X Thaeri king- Kemushi
0.1 pacific parrolet- Mishka
1.1 cats- Cairo and Oberon
1.0 crown tail betta- Lazarus
1.0 Husband (hes my favorite, but i dont let the 'kids' know that. )

its a genetic defect that causes extra toes in animals...not a 'morph' in the typical sense. Nor is it co-dominant. I don't know for sure what would cause it...could be problem with incubation, parents may be too closely related, maybe a twin that was mostly absorbed by the surviving baby, except for the extra toe (though this is unlikely if both hind feet have normal functioning extra toes).

I don't think its a good idea to breed for this trait...but if the pair you have consistently have babies with extra toes, I would stop breeding the pair, buy a male or female from a different breeder, to clean up the gene pool. (though I am not sure this would be a inbreeding issue or just a fluke...)
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PHLdyPayne

ya, i am trying to contact the origional breeder via email. I think that they may be too close, even though they are a year a part....i was hopeing that i would maybe get a cool morph color with the line...but we will see. I am going to the manchester show, and instead of picking up a new male leopard gecko i may just purchase a new line female crestie. thanks for that
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"Brains for dinner, brains for lunch. Brains for breakfast, brains for brunch. Brains for every single meal; why can't we have some GUTS?"-Misfits

1.0 ball python- Azazel
0.0.1 Yellow phase ATB- Devilin Hisseyes
0.4 leos- Boji, Sanjae, fae and Kodama
0.1 beardie- Indie
1.1.3 crested geckos- Jubeh and Inari aaand the babies
0.1 leucistic texas ratsnake-Ojo
1.0 whites tree frog- Sifaka
0.1 Transpecos ratsnake- Cleo
0.1 Senegal chameleon- Ambaji
1.0 Ruthven's X Thaeri king- Kemushi
0.1 pacific parrolet- Mishka
1.1 cats- Cairo and Oberon
1.0 crown tail betta- Lazarus
1.0 Husband (hes my favorite, but i dont let the 'kids' know that. )

When they were born wouldn't change their genetics if their parents are the same.

I am sure you can find a nice looking unrelated female crested gecko at the show. They are pretty popular and I expect most reptile shows will have different breeders.
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PHLdyPayne

I was just thinking that maybe the origional breeder had different lines...not that the genetics are different...

I am going to look for a new female soon....meanwhile my female just laid again! I'm pretty excited! That means the clutch i have incubating now has 2 mroe weeks! yay!
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"Brains for dinner, brains for lunch. Brains for breakfast, brains for brunch. Brains for every single meal; why can't we have some GUTS?"-Misfits

1.0 ball python- Azazel
0.0.1 Yellow phase ATB- Devilin Hisseyes
0.4 leos- Boji, Sanjae, fae and Kodama
0.1 beardie- Indie
1.1.3 crested geckos- Jubeh and Inari aaand the babies
0.1 leucistic texas ratsnake-Ojo
1.0 whites tree frog- Sifaka
0.1 Transpecos ratsnake- Cleo
0.1 Senegal chameleon- Ambaji
1.0 Ruthven's X Thaeri king- Kemushi
0.1 pacific parrolet- Mishka
1.1 cats- Cairo and Oberon
1.0 crown tail betta- Lazarus
1.0 Husband (hes my favorite, but i dont let the 'kids' know that. )

If it's anything like dogs, then yes, the extra toes are a result of inbreeding. It would be wise not to continue with that. I get pissed off when I buy a dog with extra toes, but at least THOSE can be surgically removed without trouble. Geckos are a different story altogether though
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Innocent as a dove you will harm no one, but wise as a serpent no one will harm you. - Haug

I know its been said already but, it sounds like you have a mutation in your geckos. My sugestion to you is to seperate you two geckos and if you want to breed get a new male and female and try to breed non mutated animals inorder to keep the Crested Gecko pet trade from being contaminated with poor quality animals. I wish you the best of luck with you breeding in the future.

Tom

I don't think it's co-dominant or recessive to be honest. Just to be on the safe side, I wouldn't breed that gecko, though.

We had two show up with six toes on either the hind legs or all four...that was in late 2006 and I've never seen it again. I kinda freaked out at first because I've heard people say it is genetic in other reptiles, but the same adults are still together and I've never seen another one like those two.
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