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Hey all
I´m very confused regarding the whole Candoia carinata species/subspecies. I really hope you guys can help me out.

I see so many different names for the Candoia carinata boas. I know there are more Candoia than carinata, but it`s the carinata and paulsoni i`m confused about.

- Candoia carinata carinata
- Candoia carinata paulsoni
- Candoia paulsoni paulsoni ( is paulsoni a full species or still a subspecies)?

So i guess my question is: How many subspecies of carinata are there? and is paulsoni a species or subspecies?

Thanks a lot

Jonas

Hi,

There are currently 5 species of Candoia:

C.carinata 2 sub-species
C.paulsoni 6 sub-species
C.superciliosa 2 sub-species
C.bibroni 1 sub-species
C.aspera 1 sub-species

This was last reviewed in 2001....

Ok thanks
Can you tell me the 6 subspecies of paulsoni and their distribution?

Thanks

Jonas

C.paulsoni (Paulson’s bevelnosed boa) from eastern Indonesia, New Guinea & Solomons.

C.paulsoni paulsoni (Solomon bevelnosed boa) from Solomon Islands, excl. Bougainville.

C.paulsoni mcdowelli (McDowell’s bevelnosed boa) from PNG & Louisiade Archipelago.

C.paulsoni rosadoi (Rosado’s bevelnosed boa) from Misima Island, Louisiade Archipelago.

C.paulsoni sadlieri (Sadlier’s bevelnosed boa) from Woodlark Island, Louisiade Archipelago.

C.paulsoni tasmai (Tasma’s bevelnosed boa) Halmahera & northeastern Sulawesi, Indonesia.

C.paulsoni vindumi (Vindum’s bevelnosed boa) from Bougainville & Buka.

Wow thats really great. Thank you. Exactly what i was looking for.

Jonas

I know i`m asking for much, but is it possible for you to post pictures of each? I think it`s so hard to find reliable info on the different web pages. I can`t see if the info the pages is correct or not and don`t want to "learn" wrong things.

Jonas

I have pictures of some of them but these are not for public use, its very difficult to get pctures of each sub-species as they can look very similar and alot are only distinguishable by scale counts alone,

Ok fair enough.
I just thought that they where relatively easy to distinguish, isabel island is that cream color and so on.
I have to visit the different islands to see for my self then

I'm affraid there not easy to distinguish, the Isabel island was a name given to high white animals originally thought to come from Isabel, Infact you can find high white specimens on a lot of the Solomon islands not just Isabel,

Ok thanks
So if you find a high white one, it is sure to be from one of the solomon islands?

Another thing.
You wrote in one of your previous posts, that Candoia carinata and Candoia superciliosa has 2 subspecies. Can you tell me the name of them?

Thanks once again

Jonas

Yes your could be pretty sure it will be from one of the Solomon Islands

C.carinata (Schneider’s bevelnosed boa) from eastern Indonesia, New Guinea & Bismarcks.

C.carinata carinata (Western Schneider’s bevelnosed boa) from east Indonesia & New Guinea.

C.carinata tepedeleni (Tepedelen’s bevelnosed boa) from Bismarck Archipelago.

And

C.superciliosa (Belau bevelnosed boa) from Palau Archipelago.

C.superciliosa superciliosa (Northern Belau bevelnosed boa) from Babeldaob to Beliliou.

C.superciliosa crombei (Ngeaur bevelnosed boa) from Ngear, southern Palau.

Thanks that`s really fantastic.

Just one last question

Candoia aspera and Candoia bibroni has only one subspecies or?
So are they called Candoia aspera and Candoia bibroni or Candoia aspera aspera and Candoia bibroni bibroni?

Thanks again

I'm not at all knowledgeable on the other subspecies but there is a Candoia bibroni bibroni, the Fiji boa.

Link

They are all looking good Helen!

Have you put them together yet?

Cheers Matt

Still prevaricating: maybe this weekend.........

Hi,

As far as I know there is the follow at present, there may be another race as C.aspera/C.bibroni but I am not aware of these:

C.b.bibroni

C.b.australis

C.a.aspera

C.a.schmidi

Is this the article you are referring to?

Smith, H., et al. 2001. A revision of the bevel-nosed boas (Candoia carinata complex)(Reptilia: Serpentes). HAMADRYAD-MADRAS- 26: 283-315.

If so, do you have a PDF copy?

-Chris
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if you do have that reference I'd also like a copy,

Cheers,
Helen

Hi,

Yes I have a copy of this paper, it was given to me in confidence that it wouldn't be freely distributed,

Sorry guys...

Shame... but if it was pre-publication I understand.

Do you have the author's contact/ can you contact the author and see if he has since published it? If so, he may now be ready to circulate.

Why wouldn't the author want the paper distributed? That is the point of publication.

I guess I will have to contact Hobart myself.

-Chris
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People sometimes give drafts of papers out to friends and colleagues before they are formally published, but don't want them circulated widely before they appear in the journal in case someone else publishes first.
Just supposition, but it's fairly common practice in the scientific community.

I understand this... but it is already published.

-chirs
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