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my veiled not eating like he used to...

wdwilson9 Sep 18, 2009 06:28 PM

my veiled chameleon is not eating the way he used to. i have him in a 2x2x4' screen enclosure. he has a 100 watt basking lamp, and a 5.0 uvb bulb. i mist the foliage in his enclosure 2-3 times daily. I moisten a small towel and put it on top of his cage near the two lamps to add a little bit more humidity to his enclosure. i put several crickets in for him to hunt every morning...the crickets usually go straight to where he is basking...but here's my concern...he will only eat the crickets if they are within 2" of his face...whereas when i first got him, any crickets within about a foot of him was easy prey. he doesnt shoot his tongue out really anymore to catch his food. Is this something i should be greatly concerned about? Is this problem easy to fix? what should i do? any input would be GREATLY appreciated!

thanks,

David

Replies (4)

xanthoman Sep 18, 2009 08:19 PM

not near enough info , what kind of bulb is it? (there are lots of 5.0 bulbs , is it a cfl? (not good), do you see it drink ? does he have a dripper ? (could be dehydration), 100 watts seems like a lot, what is your highest basking temp, (dont guess) and how close can he get to the bulbs? does he get varied feeders? (they get bored easily) what kind of gutload and supplementation ? is he swollen in the neck area (gular edema)? does it spend time on the bottom of the cage, does his tongue seem less sticky, more important than any of that, is what does his feces look like? is the light colored part white or yellow? (do you own a microscope) without any facts , its so hard to tell, there are so many things it could be, without any info all any body can do is guess. not knowing any of the facts, i would have to guess it is probably one or more of the following; 1. improper lighting causing some form of hyperkeratosis/ eye problems , not a bearded dragon, 100 w mercury vapor is too bright, too concentrated, probably too hot. and definitely unneccessary. i would recomend for uvb a geniune reptisun 5.0 (not a reptasun)its the only one made from a pure quarts tube and has the proper spectrum. and as a basking/uva bulb a regular incandescent zoo med reptile basking bulb or even a regular incandescent bulb. mercury vapor provides too much uvb in conjuntion with a reptisun . improper lighting can also interfere with vitamin absorbtion/metabolization. leading to hyperkeratosis, gular edema, or even mbd /2. dehydration just because you mist does not mean it is getting enough hydration. use a dripper there should be water available during all daylight hrs , first sign of dehydration is yellow urate. 3. improper gutload / supplementation can cause problems or excesses in the way vitamins are metabolized /4. temps must be measured not assumed, best to use a temp gun or digital therm with probe. 5 lack of apetite could be attributed to anything, eye problems,vitamin problems, mbd, deppression, impaction 5. the best overall indicator of health is by examination of feces , feces should consist of three parts 1. the solid pooh , should be drk brn to blk , not sticky , slimey, or gelatinous, no strong or foul odor. 2. the urate , should be creme to bright white , not yellow, yellow indicates dehydration 3.urine, a small amount of clear liquid, usually goes unnoticed / in all reality probably the best thing you can do now is go to a genuine herp vet and get a full fecal exam / blood work-up. its not just likely to clear up on its own not knowing what it is

wdwilson9 Sep 19, 2009 12:04 AM

he has one of those spiral uvb bulbs...i do see him drink, but he does not have a dripper. his temp in his basking spot was 93 to 95...he is 5-7 inches from the bulb...i feed him both crickets and super worms...when i gut load i usually use either mustard or collard greens...he does not seem to be swollen at the neck and he doesnt spend time at the bottom of the cage...the main part of his feces is brown to black with white to yellowish surrounding it...he has had some retained eye caps almost every time he sheds...(thats why i added the moist towel at the top of his cage to add humidity)...his feces does not smell and is solid...

xanthoman Sep 19, 2009 04:14 AM

first of all let me say that none of this advice is meant to replace veterinary care which he certainly needs.(please email me)much of this was covered in my last post, but now that i have a little better idea of what we are dealing with, i will try to be more specific. sometimes these problems can take years to develop (so much for the responce he has had it that way for years and has been just fine) and they can take years to reverse (if thats even possible, more often than not its unsuccssesful), if he is still eating you may have caught it in time. but be prepared to spend a couple of years (probably the remainder of his life) trying to reverse the damage that has been done. the spiral fluorescents, are reffered to as cfls (compact fluorescents) and are generally accepted in the cham community as being not suitable for chams (regardless of brand including reptisun cfls) they are just too bright, too concetrated, and more often than not, lead to blindness and death in chameleons, (not to mention all of the other problems that leads to, like problems metabolizing vitamins). there is a proven track history of this. you still have not said what the 100 w basking light is , if it is a mercury vapor powersun, all of the same problems as above (not to mention at least double the effect when combined with a cfl) so for starters, i would recomend ditching both the 100w basking and the cfl , in fact i would let him go for a week or so with no light, maybe a 75w incandescent house bulb (give his eyes a chance to relax), until you are able to replace things with a more appropriate light setup . my recomendation would be to get a 75w incandescent zoo med uva basking bulb, and a lineal (straight tube) 24" genuine reptisun (not reptasun) 5.0 uvb. and fluorecent fixture (once again email for specific recomendations) next, just feeding collard or mustard greens is not a balanced gutload, a proper gutload consists of at least 20 different ingredients in balanced proportions, until you learn what is required, you might be better off buying a premade gutload(email). you cannot just feed an endless string of petstore crickets and meal worms without causing problems, chameleons need a balanced diet of many varied types of properly gutloaded feeders, all fed in balanced proportions according to their nutritional value to ensure proper calcium to phosphourous and vitamin to fat ratios. many of which need too be raised yourself in order to insure their wholesomeness, mealworms are high in chiton (hard outer layer)and not nutritionally suitable as a staple feeder, they should only be fed on a limited basis. based on your lack of awareness of these issues i would assume that your supplementation (dusting) routine is not properly balanced as well, and probably causing all kinds of vitamin issues, excesses or imbalances of vitamins of is deadly. the subject is far too complicated to go into in any depth in this post and depends on several variables, but just as a starting point ; use calcium only (no d3)4x a week, use calcium with d3 once a week max (i suspect he has been over supplemented so better go with every other week for a while).use herptivite or equivalent once a month max. too much vitamins(primarily d3 and preformed vitamin A) cause problems in the way vitamins are absorbed and metabolized, leading to vitamin deficiencies regardless of how much given , better to under supplement than over. any yellow in the urates, is a sign of dehydration, a one gallon dripper should be dripping 24hrs a day or at least during daylight hrs , it should drip about every 5-10 seconds, often if it is slower than that, they do not recognize it as moving water. i would also up your misings to several times a day , his shedding problems are due in part to his dehydration as well as his nutritional imbalances. an auto mister is strongly recomended for rehab of dehydration. his misting water should also be heated (not just warm water from the tap), this can be as simple as leaving his misting bottle or water resivoir on a small under tank heater. all of this boils down to the same thing, chams do not make good casual pets, successfully keeping a cham long term, requires a fairly broad knowledge of many different issues, and the dedication required to learn them , failure to do so, will almost certainly lead to the eventual demise of your animal. if you wish to save your cham , you need to acknowledge that fact and begin cham educating yourself accordingly, if the task seems to daunting, then perhaps you are better turning your cham over to an experienced and more knowledgeable cham keeper for rehabilitation.(not implying me , i have kept and bred veileds but currently keep only jacksons) if you are determined to improve your cham keeping skills, there are many improvements i could suggest, but the post is already massive as is. there are certain things that kingsnake rules discourage posting, but if you want to email me i will do my best to put you on the right track. in any case still probably a good idea to get him into a vet asap for a complete fecal exam and blood workup

kinyonga Sep 19, 2009 06:08 PM

Here are some sites full of good information...
http://www.uvguide.co.uk/
http://web.archive.org/web/20060502074401/www.chameleonjournals.com/vet/index.php?show=5.Vitamin.A.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421082042/www.chameleonjournals.com/vet/index.php?show=6.Vitamin.D3.and.Calcium.html
http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=102
http://adcham.com/
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/

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