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Just wondering, anyone ever tried Cornsnake x Ballpython?
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"Never wrestle a pig"

Its impossible. Just to disant. They are completely different families and have very dfferent anatomies. You might as well try cross a ball python with a turtle.

I hear you. Physically it seems undoable. Genetics however are a different story, since most ratsnakes and pythons share the 2n = 36 karyotype. And now that we have Antaresiacorns, well, I guess anything is possible. It would be the ultimate hybrid. Oh well, one can only hope.
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"Never wrestle a pig"

This is a perfect answer to the post below. I think hybrids are getting to the point where people are asking can we do it instead of should we do it or even why are we doing it. Other then saying i was the first to do it what would be the point of a ball corn cross? And how would this be the "ultimate hybrid" if you just want to try and breed two animals with nothing in common why not breed a pygmy rattlesnake with a retic that whould be the "ultimate hybrid" or a coral snake with a green anaconda or for that matter why not get a pig and an elephant drunk and see if you get a hybrid there(stupid southpark reference i know but the point is the same.) Now don't take this as an all out attack against hybrids some of them are beautiful snakes and as long as the seller is honest and the buyer knows what they are getting i don't really have a problem. But much like colour morphs it seems like everyone just wants to be the first to do something or have the only one of something. Whats wrong with just having a reptile that looks the way its suposed to with out being het or hypo for something or 25% this or that?
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"We don't inherate the earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children"

Just because we shouldn't, doesn't mean we can't.
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"Never wrestle a pig"

Just because an adult shouldn't rape a child, doesn't mean they can't.

Sure it's a little extreme, but you get my point?

You answer was immature. Maybe it's time you sat down and really -thought- about why ANYONE would need/want a corn/ball hybrid. I really can't see any point in it other than having a cornsnake with cornsnake colors, but a ball patter...which would be pretty, but fairly useless....
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1.0 Western Hognose

Just because you can doesnt meant you should.

The question you should also be asking yourself is it logical and ethical.
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1.0 Western Hognose

"Just because an adult shouldn't rape a child, doesn't mean they can't. Sure it's a little extreme, but you get my point?"

Your point being...?

I never owned a hybrid in my life, and I doubt I ever will. Does this make me a better person than someone who does?

No, it doesn't.

Also, I never molested a child, and I'm quite sure I never will. Does this make me a better person than a child molester?

Yes, it actually does.

You see? There's a difference.
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"Never wrestle a pig"

""Just because an adult shouldn't rape a child, doesn't mean they can't. Sure it's a little extreme, but you get my point?"

Your point being...? "

My point was that your argument of that one-liner like that, was quite frankly, pathetic. It puts others in the mindset that since they -can- do something, then they also -should- do that. I apologize if I wasn't forward enough with that, I was tired when I posted. Like I stated in the post after, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Is breeding a cornball ethical, well sure, I guess if you wanna argue that, I wont fight it. But logical? No, not really.

" never owned a hybrid in my life, and I doubt I ever will. Does this make me a better person than someone who does?

No, it doesn't."

My comment was never about -owning- hybrids, it was about the pointless breeding of two perfectly good seperate snake species. Not to mention how messed up it would be with the genetic differences between the two...I dont give a flying monkey if you want to own a hybrid, or never do. I was arguing against the -breeding- of the two species...it just seems really pointless to me, and thus illogical.

"Also, I never molested a child, and I'm quite sure I never will. Does this make me a better person than a child molester?

Yes, it actually does.

You see? There's a difference."

Sure, of course there is. For one, I mentioned that yes, it was a very extreme example, and used it really only to point out the flaw and childish feel of your argument. That and I never said I felt it ws un-ethical to create hybrids, just illogical, where as it -is- un-ethical to rape children (in my opinion of course, but probably not in the opinion of child molesters...).
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1.0 Western Hognose

**It puts others in the mindset that since they -can- do something, then they also -should- do that. I apologize if I wasn't forward enough with that, I was tired when I posted. Like I stated in the post after, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Is breeding a cornball ethical, well sure, I guess if you wanna argue that, I wont fight it. But logical? No, not really. **

It really is pathetic when people try to reduce this argument to 'should we' and also make statements like 'who would want such an animal anyway?' You do realize that you aren't really making an argument, right? It is all personal opinion/desire. I would be interested in such an animal. Why? Precisely because of it's uniqueness. It would be something odd that is unusual. It is not, as you claim, simply for bragging rights that you were the first to produce it. It is to see what the unique combination of genetic material would create and to see if the actual product is what we might have dreamed in our minds it would be.

**My comment was never about -owning- hybrids, it was about the pointless breeding of two perfectly good seperate snake species.**

Why is it pointless exactly? Isn't that your opinion? To me it would have a point. Also, isn't it your opinion that the two parental species are perfect? Maybe I don't happen to like either of the parental species, but I'm in love with their progeny. Isn't that alright?

**Not to mention how messed up it would be with the genetic differences between the two...**

How do you know it would be messed up? What kind of studies have you done? People might have thought that about jungle corns - but they aren't messed up and to some extent do better than either parent. Ever heard of hybrid vigor?

**I dont give a flying monkey if you want to own a hybrid, or never do. I was arguing against the -breeding- of the two species...it just seems really pointless to me, and thus illogical. **

Why is it illogical?

To me this python corn cross makes me want to throw a copperhead in with my death adder that seems equal.That is just crazy.I remember when I bred atrox and viridis on accident in 86 and the offspring were fertil the only hybreds I ever produced.I like some hybreds even tho I am a stiggler for only breeding locality animals.You guys make life interesting and if your animals are represented as such all is well.To me you have earned your place in this hobby and I enjoy what you do.I check this page often just to see what Dr Mauro has this season.All the haters will always hate so what this is our hobby all of us.
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Archie Bottoms

**To me this python corn cross makes me want to throw a copperhead in with my death adder that seems equal.That is just crazy.**

Why is it crazy? I would be interested in that cross (not to possess them just to see the offspring). I don't understand your position that it is crazy though.

**I remember when I bred atrox and viridis on accident in 86 and the offspring were fertil the only hybreds I ever produced.**

[by accident] [fertile] [hybrids]

Why are you bringing up this point? I remember when I had a zit on my shoulderblade in 88, but I don't need to mention it. By the way, if you are so against hybrids, how is it that you kept the offspring of this breeding for at least a couple of years in order to breed them to each other to determine that they were fertile? I think what you were trying to say is that the progeny of your cross were viable, right?

**I like some hybreds even tho I am a stiggler for only breeding locality animals.**

[hybrids][though][stickler]
It's funny that you monitor/post on this forum, post anti-hybrid statements and then say that you like some hybrids. Apparently it doesn't make sense to cross a python with a corn snake, but it makes sense to cross a corn with a king or a gopher with a corn? You can't have it both ways. It's all or nothing.

**You guys make life interesting and if your animals are represented as such all is well.To me you have earned your place in this hobby and I enjoy what you do.I check this page often just to see what Dr Mauro has this season.All the haters will always hate so what this is our hobby all of us.**

[Dr. Moreau]
Aren't you being a hater by posting anti-hybrid rhetoric?

I am not a hater at all you miss understood my post completely I like them and enjoy what is being done.I just do not do it But I might I said I love this stuff to me it has its place in herpiticulture so dude did you for get your xanex today or what I said it was very interesting to me and it is .I am for any one who loves and cares for there snakes I am just rude sometimes,But not this time.It was a compliment.
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Archie Bottoms

And in crazy I ment wild unreal kool cool very interesting.You may have been a little off in your interpitation .How about I would love to see this animal and it is over the top they produced WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Archie Bottoms

We have had a run in before you always do the same thing.You must not be an americAN SEEMS YOU DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, NOW COPY THIS AND READ IT BACK TO ME AND GIVE ME A MINUTE BY MINUTE ANALOGY SO I WILL KNOW WHAT I SAID .......lol...
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Archie Bottoms

I don't want to upset you, but you should not point fingers as to who doesn't speek English. He may have misunderstood you because of your poor grammer and spelling.

Please calm down, both of you.

Every one is entitled to their own thoughts.

And I know I am not a spelling wiz myself.

As to the hybrid in question, I think it would be interesting to see but I doubt it can be done. How ever I don't doubt that some one some where will try.
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1 BP
4 Cal Kings 3 alb 1 het
3 Alb Corn
1 Rev Alb Nelsons

N\P
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Archie Bottoms

Hello again, Granwyth.

Didn't know you are into this stuff, LOL. Now that you mentioned Antaresiacorns, have you seen the ones on Günther Rieffenstahl's table (Hamm, september)? I was really amazed by this.

Hell yeah! I just couldn't believe my eyes. Had you asked me the day before, I would have said impossible. Yet there they were. Antaresia perthensis x Pantherophis guttatus, who would have ever thought? I'm still kicking myself for not having my camera on me.
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"Never wrestle a pig"

>>Hello again, Granwyth.
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>>Didn't know you are into this stuff, LOL. Now that you mentioned Antaresiacorns, have you seen the ones on Günther Rieffenstahl's table (Hamm, september)? I was really amazed by this.

Do you have any pics of the Antaresiacorns??? I'd love to see what they look like!!
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www.mesozoicreptiles.com

Their overal appearance most strikingly resembles African Housesnakes (Lamprophis spp.), albeit slightly more muscular. Colors and pattern are very much like a somewhat fractured and faded version of the Cornsnake. No pictures, sorry. If I find one I will definately post a link.

>>Their overal appearance most strikingly resembles African Housesnakes (Lamprophis spp.), albeit slightly more muscular. Colors and pattern are very much like a somewhat fractured and faded version of the Cornsnake. No pictures, sorry. If I find one I will definately post a link.

Cool. That sounds very interesting.
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