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do garters of different subspecies mate with the same ease as if they were from the same area or do you have to trick them?
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Jake Barney

snakes
1.1.1 ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

I have heard that subspecies will interbreed. Most people in this hobby against creating hybrids, due to the "muddy" genetics it creates down the road longterm, so you might want to re-think that idea.
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

Please don't do it.
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1.2.1 Thamnophis elegans vagrans
0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia
1.1 Natrix maura

Actually, crossing two subspecies will produce an intergrade, not a hybrid....

No trickery needed-very easy. It is a practice which in most cases should be discouraged, IMO....
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein

>>Actually, crossing two subspecies will produce an intergrade, not a hybrid....

Intergradation concerns populations and intergrades are individuals that actually attest to the phenomenon. What you get when you cross subspecies in captivity, completely separated from the context of intergradation as a natural phenomenon, is hybrids, both in the general sense and the formal. It would be an intraspecific hybrid.
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2.2 Thamnophis elegans vagrans
0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia
1.1 Natrix maura

Bad, Bad, Bad idea.............
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Regards,
Wayne A. Harvey
Thamnophis US
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