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You know i was thinking and if a Ivory X Ivory produces Leucistics (Super Ivorys), Than a Ultra Ivory X Ultra Ivory should produce a Super Ultra Ivory witch should be a all Lemon color snake and only have some white spots on it. I wounder if this is a possibilty or just an imagination.I wounder....

>>You know i was thinking and if a Ivory X Ivory produces Leucistics (Super Ivorys), Than a Ultra Ivory X Ultra Ivory should produce a Super Ultra Ivory witch should be a all Lemon color snake and only have some white spots on it. I wounder if this is a possibilty or just an imagination.I wounder....

It could.....

Ivory x Ivory makes : Ivories, Leucistics and Ultra Ivories.

SATAN
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I'd be willing to bet a substantial wager with anyone who's keen on that sort of thing that this is part of a multi-allelic system just like we've seen with Ball pythons. I would venture to guess that the matriarch and patriarch Platinums were the Visual Hets for 2 compatible strains of leukism which produce two different phenotypes in their homozygous genotype. One strain being the ultra line, the other being the abu line. The two crossed together in their het form would make the in-between homozygous phenotype (ivory).

The founding Ivory stock which was crossed back to founding Platinum stock was likely bred to animals simply heterozygous for the Ultra phenotype, which is why those two phenotypes were created.

This would explain why the three phenotypes were express when the ivory x ivory breedings were done by both kevin & prehistoric pets.

This would also explain why the mitotic transfer done with the ivory x albino tiger breeding fruited a white leucistic rather than an ivory when it was genotypically heterozygous while phenotypically homozygous- because it only got one gene from the parent- the white one!

Yeah, what you said!!!!

That sounds like some sense!!

Kev

>>I'd be willing to bet a substantial wager with anyone who's keen on that sort of thing that this is part of a multi-allelic system just like we've seen with Ball pythons. I would venture to guess that the matriarch and patriarch Platinums were the Visual Hets for 2 compatible strains of leukism which produce two different phenotypes in their homozygous genotype. One strain being the ultra line, the other being the abu line. The two crossed together in their het form would make the in-between homozygous phenotype (ivory).
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>>The founding Ivory stock which was crossed back to founding Platinum stock was likely bred to animals simply heterozygous for the Ultra phenotype, which is why those two phenotypes were created.
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>>This would explain why the three phenotypes were express when the ivory x ivory breedings were done by both kevin & prehistoric pets.
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>>This would also explain why the mitotic transfer done with the ivory x albino tiger breeding fruited a white leucistic rather than an ivory when it was genotypically heterozygous while phenotypically homozygous- because it only got one gene from the parent- the white one!
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I guess but if the platinum line is a Double Homo- Platinum X Platinum = Ivory, and a Ivory X Ivory = Leucistic Ivory, than maybe this gene is a Triple Homo line and a Ultra Ivory X Ultra Ivory = Super Ultra Ivory, but This is just saying by what I figured in my mind but anything is Possible and nobody will know until it is done.

There is no such thing as double homo, triple homo in the context you are talking about.

re-read what I said, you're clearly missing it.

Jordan

to my understanding, the platty gene almost works like the clark strain albion gene. in where any combination of platty gene is bred to another, it has the possibility of producing any of the three ivory, ultra ivory, or lucy. as ive seen it, a platty x platty has the potential to produce the ivory, ultra ivory, or lucy or any combination of the three
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

"to my understanding, the platty gene almost works like the clark strain albion gene. in where any combination of platty gene is bred to another, it has the possibility of producing any of the three ivory, ultra ivory, or lucy. as ive seen it, a platty x platty has the potential to produce the ivory, ultra ivory, or lucy or any combination of the three"

The two genes express 3 phenotypes, but for two completely different reasons.

I am confident, that through breed trials you will find that particular platinum bloodlines will produce only ultras and subsequently other lines will produce only abus. The two lines crossed will produce only ivories. You will never see 3 phenotypes from a platinum to platinum breeding, only two. You see parent animals can only give one chromosome each to their offspring (diploid organisms). Which means that if one parent is the platinum (visual heterozygous animal) for the Abu line, and other is the platinum for the ultra line and each parent gives one chromosome the offspring will be the inbetween homozygous version = ivory.

The only way you will see three phenotypes is ivory x ivory breedings.

With the Clark strain albinism, there is a modifier gene which controls the amino acid compounds which control the protein which is expressed in lavender and purple is transferred in an incomplete dominant fashion. The albinism itself is obviously simple recessive. I came up with this theory in 2007, subsequently tested by Tim O'Reilly @ Prehistoric Pets through breed trials in 2008 and 2009, and proven without failing both seasons. White X White = White. Lavender X Lavender fruits all three phases. Purple X Purple = Purple. Purple X White = Lavender. White X Lavender = White and Lavenders & Purple X Lavender = Purples and Lavenders.

Regards,
Jordan

This makes since. This is the simplest explanation, and in nature a route with the shortest path is most probable. Thank you for sharing.

If indeed correct, then not all Platies are created equal, and neither are het albino's.

If this is proven, then why has the documentation of these breeding results not been released? For instance, a guaranteed het Lucy. Is it because guaranteed het Ultras predominate, and would not sell as well if so stated?
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steve

If this is proven, then why has the documentation of these breeding results not been released? For instance, a guaranteed het Lucy. Is it because guaranteed het Ultras predominate, and would not sell as well if so stated?

I think this statement is a little wreckless. I never said that my theory on platinums was proven, I said that I believe with genuine confidence my theory will prove out. This mutation is in it's infancy, and just because I came up with a plausible hypothesis does not mean those who are working with this mutation figured it out and are holding their cards.

In regards to the albino trait, it was simply a matter of people assuming it was "polymorphic" and never thinking twice about it.

Regards,
Jordan

Point well taken. It just seemed that if one had the pleasure of breading such animals, one would instantly resolve the pattern of inheritance; especially if it is a straight forward as your hypothesis presumes.

However it works out, your idea is solid
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steve

Although it makes sense from the outside, imagine yourself working with a brand new mutation and seeing a variety of offspring from that; all extreme, all unique. Really imagine it. I think the excitement alone would be astounding; figuring it out would be secondary in many people's eyes. This could easily be disregarded if they do not have an affinity for genetics.

To reiterate, there is no rouse. Time will tell, and if I am correct- sweet. If not, back to the drawing board.

The albinism proved out, mystery solved.

This is one of the many aspects of keeping reptiles which is so fun. Stand united against lobbyist groups such as HSUS and PETA to preserve our rights. Fascism and propaganda are jeopardizing the sanctity of what is an incredibly rewarding field. Ethical and moral responsibility are the responsibility of the individual who decides what they find ethical and moral, the subjectivity of the concept should never transcend into another person's civil liberties. Excuses rooted in fear, and subjugation are not how I choose to live my life- do you? Ask yourself that when you think of which side of the aisle you stand on for or against s-373.

Ok that's my $0.02 on the political banter we've had lately... back to genetics?? : )

Regards,
Jordan

Not Quite, A platinum X Platinum can only produce Normals,Platinums, and Ivorys. And A Ivory X Platinum will produce the Ultra Ivorys.

If some Platys are het Lucy and others het Ultra:

Ultra X Norm = Platy (het Ultra);
Lucy X Norm = Platy (het Lucy);
Ultra X Lucy = 100% Ivory (double het for Lucy/Ultra);
Ivory X Ivory = 1/4 Lucy, 1/4 Ultra and 1/2 Ivory

Furthermore:

Some Platy X Platy = 1/4 Lucy, 1/2 Platy and 1/4 Norm
other Platy X Platy = 1/4 Ultra, 1/2 Platy and 1/4 Norm

If these statement are true then I understand Jordan. Anyone with actual 1st hand experience in these breedings?
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steve

The Way I Broke It Down Is

Platinum X Normal- Platinums & Normals

Platinum X Platinum- Platinums, Ivorys & Normals

Platinum X Ivory- Platinums, Ivorys & Ultra Ivorys

Ivory X Ivory- Ivorys, Ultra Ivorys & Leucistic Ivorys(Abu Ivory)

Ultra Ivory X Ultra Ivory- Ultra Ivorys, Leucistic Ivory & Super Ultra Ivory

am i misunderstood then, that bob clark bred his first lucy x normal and produced all plattys.
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

Actually that would be in agreement with the idea that some plattys are het lucy (2nd theoretical breeding I listed).----Thank you, and I would like more info

I also needed to show that some Platy(het Lucy) X Platy (het Ultra) will make 1/2 Ivory, 1/4 Platy and 1/4 normal if this is indeed the case--see adjustment below

If some Platys are het Lucy and others het Ultra:

Ultra X Norm = 100% Platy (het Ultra);
Lucy X Norm = 100% Platy (het Lucy);
Ultra X Lucy = 100% Ivory (double het for Lucy/Ultra);
Ivory X Ivory = 1/4 Lucy, 1/4 Ultra and 1/2 Ivory

Furthermore:

Some Platy (het lucy) X Platy (het Lucy) = 1/4 Lucy, 1/2 Platy and 1/4 Norm
other Platy (het Ultra) X Platy( het Ultra) = 1/4 Ultra, 1/2 Platy and 1/4 Norm

other Platy (hetLucy) X Platy (het Ultra) = 1/4 Ivory, 1/4 Platy (het Ultra), 1/4 platy (het Lucy) and 1/4 normal

If these statement are true then I understand Jordan. Anyone with actual 1st hand experience in these breedings?
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steve

The Thing that I'm tryin' to say is as far as I know, nobody produced a Ultra Ivory or a Leucistic Ivory from breeding a Platinum X Platinum Breedings.

That is not correct.

Bushmaster 2008, Platinum X Platinum breeding produced all Leucistics, which are very similar to the Leucistics branded "abu ivories" by Prehistoric Pets the same season. A name coined by myself.

To be clear the Abu is not a "super ivory", the Ivory, the Ultra and the Abu are all the homozygous version of a platinum. If there were 3 chromosomes as you suggest at that gene location we would see a severe propensity towards malformed animals. Think trisomy 21, and the like.

Regards,
Jordan

That Wasent' the Platinum line that NERD and Bob Clark has that was The Fire line and that produced ''Black Eye'' Leucistic a totally different line like the Lemon Glow line that is a totally different line also, there are 3 lines as of so far and that is the Platinum, Fire & Lemon Glow.

Also the first time the Leucistic Ivory was produced was by Bob Clark & Prehistoric Pets Project cause for many years the super Ivory was thought to be the Ultra Ivory when NERD bred their Ivory male to their Platinum Female but as time went by that wasent' the case.

Also for some reason this Platinum line is a complete multi-gene line and that the super form has Its own super form and a seperete super form on that.and thats why A Platinum X Ivory(Super Form) produces Ultra Ivorys and a Ivory(super form) X Ivory (super form) will produce Leucistic Ivory (super-super form) and also the Ultras(side-super form).

I don't want to sound rude, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about- on pretty much everything you've said so far. Research, read, learn then debate.

Regards,
Jordan

Really than why is it that when I bred a Platinum X Platinum and only got Ivorys, Platinums & Normals, and never got any leucistics or ultra ivorys but when I bred those holdbacks back to the Platinum and got ultra ivorys and ivorys and never got any luecistics and so did nobody else who bred a platinum X platinum and platinum X ivory, they never got any leucistics and thats why it took many years to produce the leucistics and the other line, the Fire line was a Wild caught male they got and that was what they wrote when they were selling the Fires and they only did produce the ''Black Eye'' Leucistics witch and very close to the Leucistic Ivorys but are not the same snakes and line. So you may want to look it up more and actually talk to these people before you saying that what I'm saying is wrong, cause I am a Retic breeder and bred these snakes for many years so I do know what I am talkin' about dude.

Your hot temper, and lack of grammer married with your inability to spell have made this topic difficult to manage. If you feel like shooting the breeze on this topic in a mature fashion, feel free to call my cell 714.931.9903 I am packing shipments for the day. Try me in a few hours if that is convenient.

Regards,
Jordan

Nah I'll pass I know the truth about this subject and believe it or not but it is, so just end it dude.

"just end it dude"? Really?

Wow... and we wonder why our industry and country are going down the tubes. Does anybody have the ability to logically and cognitively debate and exchange ideas anymore?

I am going to go ahead and call BS mr. platinum/ivory retic breeder without a name. Photos of your collection, eggs, babies hatching? You want to make things up, since you can't back up your ill founded- poorly conceived notion of an explanation.. well here I am calling BS sir. Let's see the pudding...

How did that albino anaconda acquistion from the south american drug dealer go? Ridiculous....

Sincerely,
Jordan

Are you calling me a lier dude, are you kidding me, why don't you end it while you still have your dignity cause I aint even going to prove anything to you cause you know you were the loser in your school and got beat up every day so take it out on somebody you don't even know, thats really being a man and I'm guessing you are a white, redneck southern who thinks imergration is wrong and we should be over in Iraq, so I'm being the real man here and Peace Out.

And Can somebody else get through this airheaded dude that a Platinum X Platinum does not produce Leucistics, are you kidding me, WOW, LOL, and it took NERD over 6 years to produce the first ever Leucistics and all they produced before that was Ivorys cause apperantly this dude does not believe my breeding of this gene. Dam, I'm Out, Peace.

This first breeding was done in Europe between two seperate wild caught platinum animals, producing: Normals, Platinums and Ivories.

Bob Clark & Jay Brewer bought the Ivories- Kevin bought the platinums.

The animals Bushmaster is working with will likely prove to be compatible as part of this multi-allelic system which is what I was first insinuating.

Calling me an "airhead" when it is abundantly clear you are out of your element does nothing to further your case.

Regards,
Jordan - The Thorn

I also get some ivories in the original $100,000 deal!

WoW! I spent some money!!!!!

Kevin
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hehe....obviously kidding. Well I hope that investment pays for itself. I apologize for missing that you had also obtained visual ivories in the original deal.

Hopefully next season you'll have a male Leucistic from your 09' breeding up to size and then you can put my little theory to the test : )

Take care,
Jordan

"Are you calling me a lier dude"

No sir, I insinuated that you were lying in an effort to avoid proving your point- since you are not capable of proving it. This would be a "liar", not a lier.

Any ethnic, or political notions you want to throw out do nothing to prove your point they also lack relevance. My positon is clear, and I will not continue further down this road with you. If you decide to go over the semantics of the platinum genetics in a mature fashion, I would be happy to pick up where we left off down the road.

Regards,
Jordan

OK I agree with you about where the platinum lines came from and where they went but the line that Bushmaster bought is not the same line as the other two and there for does not apply to this discushion, so now were back with the two lines that NERD and Bob Clark got, With my resaults with breeding the Platinum line I never got a Leucistic out of it or Ultra Ivory and everybody I've talked to got the same resaults and if anybody else got anything different I would like to hear about it cause maybe there is something else at work and I don't aprachiate the Back-Lash talk about me and calling me a Liar and I know that my spelling is crappy but I don't spell good and if you could talk like a civilized human than we can discuse this like men and figure this gene out. OK and stop with the insaults cause thats not being a man.

very calm, do not be angry, and I saw in forums of Indonesian, Lucy born from a cross of platinum x platinum,,, and one of them was another CB and WC parents ... so it's not impossible ... already checked the polymorphous gene clark albino line, I think it is no absurd to hear in this morph
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The Platinum gene came to us over from Indo, we brought some of the original animals. Bob and jay also got a few of these animals...

We made the visible "hets" and called them Platinums....

We made the white (with a bit of yellow and grey) and Ultra ivories (Ivory with lots of weirdness, orange and yellow) by breeding the Ivory son back to its mother...

This did not take us SIX YEARS! We in fact did it pretty quick. We just this past year bred our Ivories back to each other duplicating what Jay and Bob did with their pair... We made Ivories, Ultras and Leucistics...

Bob and Jay made these FIRST! We made all of the other stuff first....

There is another thing to consider...overseas there is another line that looks like Platties (visually, in my eyes) but seems to make Leucistics and not ivories and possibly Ultras.... It just makes the visual het and WHite ones...

This line is NOT related to these.....

NERD's , Jay's and Bob's are all from the same line....

Kevin

>>That Wasent' the Platinum line that NERD and Bob Clark has that was The Fire line and that produced ''Black Eye'' Leucistic a totally different line like the Lemon Glow line that is a totally different line also, there are 3 lines as of so far and that is the Platinum, Fire & Lemon Glow.
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Thank You, That is what I'm tryin' to say and people are not understanding that at all, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks.

Thank you for sharing.

The Ivory X Ivory = Ultra, Lucy, and Ivory is consistent with the idea that Ivory is het for both Lucy and Ultra. Im curious about the clutch size and if it was approx. 1/4 Ultra, 1/4 Lucy and 1/2 Ivory? Your mention of the "white" is the 1st I've heard of such an animal. Is this different than Ivory? How many whites were in the clutch, and were there any other patterns in that clutch? Also, what was the adult's pattern for the platinum's you produced in the beginning?

Sorry for all the questions, and this info would be greatly appreciated

Thanks again!
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steve

When he says Whites, He means Leucistics.

To be accurate, all three of these mutations are leucistics. In fact pied is a form of leucism. An animal does not have to be pure white with no colors or pattern for that to be the mutation at play.

Leucism is a defect in the pigment cells, this can be a complete or partial defect and the results vary according to how much or which pigment cells are defective.

Market names such as ivory, ultra and abu may be seemingly erroneous- but in fact are a great way to differentiate each mutation without qualifying one mutation as being leucistic and the others as being something else- since they are all in fact leucistic.

Regards,
Jordan

OK, but to me and to most reptile breeders, Leucistic means- a Totally Patternless White animal. And any other color on it either it be yellow or black or any other color on a all white patternless animal is consider to be a Paradox form or also called another name like Ivory or Ultra Ivory in this case cause the word Leucistic has a very High Price Tag on it and really wanted by reptile breeders and considered the Holy Grail, thats why the ''Blue Eye'' Leucistic BP cost so much and the Ivory BP had a much lower price tag.

Fact is not based on a societal consensus, fact is based on science. If a sect of people want to use terms erroneously and subsequently adopt that misconception as the norm it does not supersede the fact that they are incorrect.

Rest assured that prior to you clearing things up for me, I was aware of the misnomer's proliferation in our hobby.

Regards,
Jordan

Yeah but science is just people voting on a certen way that they all use so the way other people explain a word or define a word is the same thing as scientist do, and if it is not in a dictionairy than that does not mean it is not a word or correct defination.

And when it means the difference between $1,000.00 and $100,000.00 than that means everything and correct definations does not relate to main stream science.

The primary difference (as has been clearly illustrated here) is that: the people who form the consensus which is taken as fact, are the sect which is educated.

Regards,
Jordan

What do you mean Educated, like a College Degree or something like that cause a Degree just means that you have a paper that says you are educated but that does not mean that they are smart, cause I beat you anything that a person without a degree knows hell of a lot more than somebody who is book smart. Cause real smarts don't come from books, it comes from mistake and error and learning it by hands on stuff, and from deep inside you.

I understand your frustration on this topic--really. It is true that many people who spend most of their life wrapped up in formal education are frequently missing some very important components of common since. However, it is also true that they spend many hours each week for many years being consistently challenged, making mistakes of logic, learning from those mistakes, and moving forward with a better understanding. I don't discredit either on how smart he/she might be. It is also true that genetics is a topic that has been, and can be, very well studied and understood by the scientific method. So, science and good scientists do have the ability to uncover truths in a very clear, testable and repeatable fashion. This ability is not innate, just as building a skyscraper is not. On the other side, others might be more able to find a practical use for this knowledge. It probably makes no difference, but I have had the pleasure of spending several years as a blue-collar before and early into college and am completing terminal degrees in 2 disciplines. Cheers
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steve

Nah, Nah, I totally Agree but most people I know and Meet before who are book smart, they seem to loose their common sence and not everything can be explained be science like genetics, cause genetics differ each breeding and through out time and the genetic stran splits or adds to and all science really is, is just a basic common sence way to figure it out, but that does not mean it is correct, nor does it mean it is incorrect, so when something is very diffucault to explain or figure out you just have to go with the flow and do what ever possible to figure it out, but not disagree with somebody who did an expirement that bends the genetic laws, but to just talk to that person and figure out how it happened, you know.

Sorry, but your idea of science is way off. I haven't criticized, and in fact encourage, non-scientists in their attempts to problem solve. Just because you do not have advanced scientific ability, actually because of that, you can not blow off what you don't understand.

Science is not a "common since way of figuring it out". We have hands-on ability to conduct chromosomal and molecular analysis, computational abilities, and are under a strict criticism by colleagues. Genetics goes WAY beyond basic mendelian inheritance.

Scientific laws are not bent, but rather challenged. We, scientists, are aware of the progression of data, such as new breading. Many results are predicted by precedence and most others can be solved with strategies already developed
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steve

Hey Kevin,

Other than the fact that you had obtained F1 Ivories in your original deal that is what I was saying.

My hypothesis is that the founding male of your stock is of the same genetic material as the Indonesian bloodline(i.e. the bloodline Kam produced his Leucies from). Where as your matriarch is likely het for the ultra line. Time will tell, but currently it is the only theory out there which holds any water.

This is similar to: Mojave and Lesser. Mojave X Mojave = a white snake with a lot of blurred color and pattern. Lesser X Lesser = a white snake. Lesser X Mojave = an inbetween version. Although the phenotype of any of the BEL complex animals may very, they are all located on the same gene locus.

I believe we will find the confusion in all of this is simply due to two seperate white snake making mutations being combined in the founding stock, madness ensues and here we are today... confused and figuring it out.

I also believe that the mitotic transfer done when the ivory was bred to the albino tiger substantiates my theory. If the ivory in fact is an animal with one affect "ultra" chromosome and one affect "abu" chromosome, and the offspring leucistic from that breeding is a leucistic via mitotic transfer (the only mode of gene transmission which explains this phenomonen) then the animal is in fact genotypically heterozygous while being phenotypically homozygous. Since the animal is only a het genetically, but is expressing the mutation it is het for in its homozygous form- then that animal is simply het for the abu ivory. In turn that shows that you have two seperate forms of platinum at play.

Regards,
Jordan

>>>the offspring leucistic from that breeding is a leucistic via mitotic transfer (the only mode of gene transmission which explains this phenomonen)

Trisomic rescue is just as likely. The chromosome carrying the Lucy gene would be passed on in 3 copies, by meiotic error, and then one copy is eliminated by the zygote, giving the offspring 2 copies of the the Lucy parent chromosome. This accounts for about 20% of Angelman Syndrome in people. Meiotic transfer is another possibility. The only was to know for sure would be comparative chromosomal and molecular analysis of the Lucy parent and Lucy offspring. The rest sounds good
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steve

Hi Steve,

Very good thinking! I overlooked that! Hmmmm... The Co-founder of USARK is hard core into this stuff... I wonder if he'd be willing to fiddle with it?

Regards,
Jordan

I am glad you realize this to be an option. Snake genetics is truly fascinating, I actually used many aspects of this as a study tool to become more proficient at noticing human patterns of disease inheritance and vis versa. It is nice to knock out 2 birds with one stone And thank for all your helpful insight!
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steve

>>Hey Kevin,
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>>Other than the fact that you had obtained F1 Ivories in your original deal that is what I was saying.
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>>My hypothesis is that the founding male of your stock is of the same genetic material as the Indonesian bloodline(i.e. the bloodline Kam produced his Leucies from). Where as your matriarch is likely het for the ultra line. Time will tell, but currently it is the only theory out there which holds any water.
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>>This is similar to: Mojave and Lesser. Mojave X Mojave = a white snake with a lot of blurred color and pattern. Lesser X Lesser = a white snake. Lesser X Mojave = an inbetween version. Although the phenotype of any of the BEL complex animals may very, they are all located on the same gene locus.
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>>I believe we will find the confusion in all of this is simply due to two seperate white snake making mutations being combined in the founding stock, madness ensues and here we are today... confused and figuring it out.
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>>I also believe that the mitotic transfer done when the ivory was bred to the albino tiger substantiates my theory. If the ivory in fact is an animal with one affect "ultra" chromosome and one affect "abu" chromosome, and the offspring leucistic from that breeding is a leucistic via mitotic transfer (the only mode of gene transmission which explains this phenomonen) then the animal is in fact genotypically heterozygous while being phenotypically homozygous. Since the animal is only a het genetically, but is expressing the mutation it is het for in its homozygous form- then that animal is simply het for the abu ivory. In turn that shows that you have two seperate forms of platinum at play.
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>>Regards,
>>Jordan
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You seem to have the genetics nailed down... My eyes are going crossed will all this stuff.

I think it is confusing when we are looking at two seperate lines for sure. Visually they look the same to me, bright hypo retics that are gorgeous!

THis year we may be able to unravel a few more things to set the record straight when we are actually playing around with the genetics. Looks like NERD is having a real good retic season and we should make some cool new stuff.

A big white snake is kind of fantastic in my eyes....

The funny thing is a big leucistic retic could easily pass for a big white leucistic burmese! The shape of the snake seems lost and it is hard to tell that it is a retic....

Yes, I am rambling...

Back to it!

Kevin
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