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anyone breeding these, i dont want any WC vipers. looking for CCB's. I dont see alot of people working with them,,,,,why not??

thanks guys, lp

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BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE IN THE REPTILE COMMUNITY CONSIDER CANDOIA IN GENERAL TO BE "GARBAGE" SNAKES....ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAN MADE NONSENSE THAT IS HET FOR SOMETHING OR OTHER....WHEN I SUBMITTED MY BOOK TO 4 DIFFERENT PUBLISHERS, I WAS TOLD BY ALL 4 OF THEM "WE DONT FEEL THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS AT THIS TIME"....AN ENTIRE GENUS OF SNAKES OVERLOOKED AND UNDERAPPRECIATED....MEANWHILE, 3 TOED BOX TURTLES FROM SOUTHWEST TEXAS HAVE THEIR OWN BOOK...AMAZES THE HELL OUT OF ME...AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE...NOT WITH ALL THESE YAHOOS OUT THERE BREEDING BALL PYTHONS....I'M TRYING TO SELL HALF OF MY CANDOIA COLLECTION BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL PROBLEMS...AND NOBODY WANTS THEM...ONLY A SELECT FEW PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY TRULY CARE ABOUT AND BREED CANDOIA...THEY ARE POPULAR IN EUROPE, SCANDINAVIA AND BRITAIN ...JC

They are not that popular in Europa neither. There are a few who breed them over here, so with some patience and luck it's possible to find cbb animals, but most you see are imports, often in pretty bad shape.
Guess that's one of the reasons why they are not popular. They ones you see in shops and reptile expo's are often sick animals. If you want cbb, you have to really search for them and you will propebly have to wait for months or even years before you will eventually have your animals. For most people, that is too much effort when they can get some other species so easily.

It does often require waiting.... I waited for over 2 years for one of my Candoia.

-Chris
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Christopher E. Smith
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It seems everyone that looks at the candoia comment on how much they like them, but for one reason or another have never gotten into them. I'd love to see a recent article in Reptiles magazine Jerry. I think it came out during a time when MORPHS ruled, but that time is changing IMO. They're not on any ban lists, they pose no threats to human safety (aside from some freak incident) and they're simply awesome looking animals. We all need to do what we can to have our success with them and spread them into more collections. I posted about my recent good fortune with them on the general Boa forum and had more response there than in the actual Candoia forum. We're off the beaten path and most people don't venture in here, so I took it to them. The one thing I've told myself is I will never sell any of them unless they're on rodents. It just seems that is a huge turn off to potential buyers. So, if they only feed on frogs or lizards, they will never leave my place. It's so "known" that it's almost always the first question "do they eat rodents" and even when the answer is yes, you can see the look of doubt in their face. So, it's up to any of us willing to take on Candoia to get them out there. I plan on setting up a display at shows just to let people see them more, though they won't be for sale, they'll still be getting noticed. I hope! When I decided to move my Vipers for the time being, they got a lot of a attention and sold before anything else we had there-boa morphs, ball morphs, etc. Now, I have to find more for myself....so begins the hunt, lol

I agree, it's the reputation for being difficult to feed that's the issue.

I'm seeing some more interest in more general herp forums than before - and I always drop a comment in about them if I see "what snake should I get?" posts.

Maybe in the light of panic over the prospective restrictions in owning/ trading in the "Big 9" constrictors, Candoia may become more popular.

Maybe hang on another year or so Jerry?
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hey man i agree they need to be patient the majority coming onto the market are wild caught but as soon as we get a couple successfull breeders goin around itll change.

deff agree when more restrictions on large snakes ppl are gonna have no choice but to go to the smaller species such as candoia

oh and i have had more than my share of viper boas and they have all eaten mostly without much trouble.

Amen to that.....!!!! I'm into Wild Phenotype Boa c. constrictor(Surinames and Brazilians) ... I see all this morpher nonsense all the time.... Everytime I see someone selling some snakes for thousands... I look at one of my imported Surinams... or a nice North Brazilian.... the wild snakes on bad day... will beat any morph on it's best

Candoia are perhaps the most under appreciated species... running across this small forum dedicated to them really made my night...

Cheers
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Marc Duhon
Lafayette, Louisiana
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I've become addicted to Candoia. Since I always have a supply of Hemydactylus frenatus, getting them fat and happy hasn't been a problem. Converting them over is easier when you start with mouse fuzzies not pinkies. The ability to keep large numbers in a relatively small space has been appealing.

As we're starting to see more morphs and the large snake bans come in to place, I believe that Candoia ownership will greatly increase. We typically sell 10-15 at each west coast show, so we're doing our part.

And as we know, no one can keep just one.

Mitch