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goregrind Feb 10, 2010 12:24 PM

my garter snakes feces often looks red, is it blood or could it be pigment from the scales of the fish he eats?

this time it looked runny, there was alittle bit of red stuff and alittle bit of "pus" looking liquid. but other times the feces is normal shaped but looks alittle red.

could it be blood from a cut in his asophogus? an ulcer?

should i stop feeding him for a couple weeks or feed smaller meals?
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Jake Barney

snakes
2.2. ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

Replies (8)

asnakelovinbabe Feb 11, 2010 10:07 AM

do you by any chance, ever feed your snake salmon?

goregrind Feb 13, 2010 07:21 AM

no? i feed him feeder comets. why do you ask?
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Jake Barney

snakes
2.2. ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

ssssnakeluver Feb 13, 2010 12:17 PM

some of the farm raised salmon has color added to make the meat look orange like wild caught salmon. that color can pass thru in the feces and make it orange or even look a little red

goregrind Feb 13, 2010 12:28 PM

good to know.

i actualy think it could have something to do with the fish because as i cleened my snappers tank today and i noticed an orange colored "log"
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Jake Barney

snakes
2.2. ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

asnakelovinbabe Feb 19, 2010 11:17 AM

ahh! feeder comets. I would highly recommend switching your food source immediately. Feeding you snake comets is dangerous to his health due to them containing thiaminase, which blocks vitamin b1 absorption. A continued diet of goldfish will eventually spell your snake's death. There are many safe fish out there that do not contain thiaminase. Guppies, if you must feed live, or silversides, which you can buy frozen and thaw them out. You can also go to your grocery store and get a filet of salmon, trout, or tilapia, cut it into strips and freeze it. Rotating nightcrawlers and rodents into the diet would also be beneficial, although not necessary for his survival.

goregrind Feb 20, 2010 08:09 AM

i do plan on switching to pinky mice. i tried breeding guppies, but fancy gups cost too much and feeders are so small that its like popcorn. what about what my local shop calls feeder "tuffies"? idk what they realy are but they earned thier name, extremely hardy minnow type feeder. they even survive in salt water for short periods of time. and i will look into those silver sides

salmon filet doesnt seem too nutritious to me, in my opinion snakes were designed to eat whole foods, so leaving out the guts, brains and bones just doesnt seem "complete" i wouldnt ming feeding a piece now and then but not as a major part of the diet. its like feeding a dog tofu and beans...
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Jake Barney

snakes
2.2. ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

asnakelovinbabe Feb 20, 2010 10:55 AM

Haha, no no, it is not like feeding a dog tofu and beans. If somebody told me that's what they were feeding their dog, I'd have to restrain myself from slapping them. I don't even agree with feeding dogs kibble but that's a topic we won't delve into. I merely suggested filets because with a good supplement, they are a thousand times over, the better choice compared to feeder goldfish. I personally do not use filets rarely, if at all anymore, because I also advocate the feeding of whole prey items. That's why my snakes staple food are f/t silversides. In the summer, they also get blacknose dace, creek chubs, and bluegill which are deep frozen prior to being fed. In the summer frog legs also become available to me and my snakes LOVE THEM. They get rodents and nightcrawlers as well, but fish is the staple for my natricine animals, because they are, by nature, fish and amphibian eaters and rodents are not something that is usually a part of their natural diet. Some large wild garters have been observed to eat rodents but most likely because they are opportunistic predators that will take anything extra they can get.

Guppies are like popcorn, hence I don't use them, not that I can get them here anyways. We do get "tuffies" which are also commonly known as rosy red, or fathead minnows. Unfortunately rosies are also on the thiaminase list, although rumored to be a better option than goldfish simply because they supposedly contain less thiaminase (I don't know if this is true) and goldfish lack nutritional value and are the fish equivalent of cheeseburgers. They're really no good for anything to eat, from snakes to turtles, frogs or even bigger fish. The only time I use tuffies is with newborn snakes that want fish as their first meal. I encourage the snakes to eat by dropping the minnows onto the newspaper pellet and the fish flopping around really gets them going. After one or two meals of these, the snakes are ready to attack anything that flops around and smells like fish. This is how I trick them into eating things like dead silversides and even pinkies. I hold them loosely with the tongs and dance them around until one of the babies grabs it. My '09 clutch of cherry hypo banded water snakes fell for this trick:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aSnakeLovinBabe#p/u/3/16x-Ck6XcYE

goregrind Feb 21, 2010 08:56 AM

i think im gunna try those siversides, the price isnt too bad and i do have a bunch of things that eat fish in my aquarium
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Jake Barney

snakes
2.2. ball pythons
0.2 corns
1.0 bcc
0.0.1 garter
0.0.1 baby snapping turtle

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