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Question for the B. Dendrophila keepers

Z_G_Reptiles Feb 15, 2010 04:08 PM

I am just curious on this question how many of you have been bitten and how many of you haven’t, for those of you that haven't got bitten by this species how long have you kept them? For those of you that have been bitten, what led up to the bite? The snake's speed and aggression? Being careless?

I'm just curious on this as I hear of a lot of bites from this species and didn’t know if it's because they aren't treated as a dangerous hot or if it's a personality trait of the species.

Thanks
Zack
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Zack Greens Reptiles

Replies (8)

wlcmmtt Feb 15, 2010 10:47 PM

Ok, so admittedly I've only had mine about a year, but considering they were recent imports that looked like CRAP when I got them, I feel pretty good about my experiences so far. First off, I ONLY handle mine during the day. After nightfall, that's it, hands off. That being said, during the day, I've never been struck at. Not to say that they're always zombies during daylight, but much more sluggish. After dark, mine are a pair of heat-seeking missiles. I don't know about other dendro keepers, but mine also respond differently to my wife and I. Sometimes I'll go in late at night and just watch the pair (since they just sleep all day), and if it's just me in the room, they just go about their business, looking for ways to escape. But as soon as the wife comes in; BAM! They both stop whatever they're doing and watch her until she leaves...then right back to it. One has even struck at her through the glass before. My retics are very similar. Can't speak to what they'd do with others around, because generally if the reptile room is lights out, company's not here. Long story short, I love my pair, use a stick with them when I need to get them out, leave them alone otherwise, and I've never had any problems. Hope that helps.

vegasbilly Feb 16, 2010 12:15 AM

Be careful keeping them in pairs long term...cannibalism is a not infrequent occurrence. Also, they seem to feed better when kept singly.
I introduce males every two months and gauge the reactions of both snakes. The male will usually try to copulate immediately and the female will flee. If she's receptive she'll stop in a few minutes and let the male do his thing. If not receptive she'll slowly "wag" her tail which seems to indicate to the male to back off.
I have 16 Mangroves and can "safely" handle none of them. They are usually ok during the day but once "spooked" all bets are off! You'll never know exactly what it is that spooks them.
Most bites are a defensive bite and they'd really need to chew on you for sometime to get a hot bite. I've been bitten twice w/no ill effects. I have B.D. Dendros, Melanota, and Gemmicinta and the Gemmicinta are by far the nastiest.
Bill

TheSerpentsCoil Feb 17, 2010 10:22 AM

I've been bitten by a 4ft Melanota female. Personally I don't treat them as venomous althought they can still give a pretty nasty bite. She was not given the chance to chew and I had no reaction to the bite. The bite was purely deffensive, I just pushed the limits trying to get beter photo's. This is my best shot with a mang, I didn't have my D40 then. I'm waiting on some eggs to hatch or some more gravid females to come in. From my experience with babies if handled regularly they loose their aggression and become very handleable. Not one out of 7 babies I had for months ever tried to bite. They are however far more alert at night and one must be more careful. These animals have produced some pretty nasty bites!


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John Light

PHFaust Feb 17, 2010 11:33 AM

>>I don't know about other dendro keepers, but mine also respond differently to my wife and I. Sometimes I'll go in late at night and just watch the pair (since they just sleep all day), and if it's just me in the room, they just go about their business, looking for ways to escape. But as soon as the wife comes in; BAM! They both stop whatever they're doing and watch her until she leaves...then right back to it. One has even struck at her through the glass before. >>

Allow me to tangent here.

Is it the male reacting to your wife or the female or both?

The reason I ask is over the years I have had a hard time with some of our species here that are female. My husband on the other hand has a hard time with males. I have noticed this in the variety of iguanids we keep as well as in the burmese and retics that have lived here. I have also noticed with alligators when I work with them that the females are a challenge. I have no issues with males, but I have a HORRID time with females. The reverse is the same with my hubby. Just curious.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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vegasbilly Feb 17, 2010 08:20 PM

My Sulawesi Gemmicintas are all onery at night..and I'm the only one in my family to ever go in there. Sometimes they get so worked up I have to cover the front of their cage if I plan to be in there for awhile..otherwise they beat themselves up hitting the front. I have one Dendro-Dendro that does this as well, but usually only after laying eggs. She then reverts to being ahy again. The 2 that are really irritable are 1.1 so gender does not matter when it comes to either my or their gender!
Out of the 3 ssp. of Dendros I keep the Melanota are by far the calmest..and largest. The pair I have pictured in an earlier post in this thread are 7' long and easily as big around as a big Cribo.
Bill

wlcmmtt Feb 17, 2010 08:34 PM

Well, I've had snakes that were particular about females. But honestly, I think it's the wife. We were at St Augustine Alligator farm (for our honeymoon...love her), and encountered their King Cobra. I watched this thing just watch person after person file by. I walked up, no reaction. She walks up and BAM Hood goes up and that thing was in her face. She just looked at me like, really? She walks away, it settled right back down like nothing happened. Honestly, that's probably all coincidence, but it made me kinda laugh alllll the same.

thesavageproject Feb 20, 2010 11:51 AM

ive got
1.0 Boiga dendrophila melanota
1.1 Boiga dendrophila gemmicincta

the melanota is a kitten i even handle at night with out problems. my gemms on the other hand are ruthless. i have been bit by one of them in the middle of the day while i was cleaning the cage, careless, with no effect. it was a quick bite with no chewing. i do use hooks with my gemms but these 3 are the crown jewels of my collection.

on a side note anyone have any good literature on these guys? has anyone got theres on f/t?

vegasbilly Feb 20, 2010 09:05 PM

All of mine are on F/T. I've never had to feed live. On a few I stuck chick down/feathers on the rodents' heads and that did the trick to get them started. Some juvies needed to be lizard scented. Sometimes people pull the thawed item too early..leave it in for 2 days before pulling. Split-braining hoppers or adults (depending upon the size) and smearing it all over the skull works sometimes on reluctant feeders too. Mine switch from rodents to chicks as well. Chicks are a good way to start them on thawed too as most love chicks. Rat pups are like candy too!
The little Gemmicinta pictured is almost solid black now.

Bill

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