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Crotaphytus Insularis or insularis bic.

caro2006 Mar 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Hello!

In my country we can get crotyphytus... but I think there are a lot of mistakes with the real names of the real species!

I wonder about the real name of some species, can someone answer my questions?

Some shop sale crotaphytus insularis. Is it possible? I thought it was very rare.
Some poeple pretend crotaphytus bicinctores is called crot. insularis bicinctores!!! What is the right name, and what are the differences between those 2 species?

And can someone tell me the difference between the crot. collaris collaris and the Crotaphytus collaris baileyi?

Or if you don't know.... where I can get my answers?

Sorry if there are some english mistakes... I speak french!

Thank you

Replies (2)

NDokai Mar 14, 2010 11:21 AM

Hi,
It is most likely a C. bicinctores. The true insularis, are only found on Angel island in the sea of Cortez. A special permit is needed to collect them. I have never heard of them making it into any private collections.
C. bicinctores used to be classified as C. insularis bicinctores, but they are now considered a seperate species, not subspecies. The true insularis, look a lot like a baja collared C. vestigium), but without the white cross bars on the body.

Also, the C. colaris (baleyi) is a formerly recognised sub species of colaris. A lot of people still refer to the types of collaris by their former subspecies name. To me, a "classic" male baleyi has a blue-green body, yellow front feet, yellow on the top of the head, with the rest of the head whitish, yellow cross bars on the body, and a blue throat. The main thing that separates them from a yellow head, is the white pigment between the collars, and the lack of a full yellow head.
The Eastern collareds (C. c. collaris) are much more variable in appearance.
I, personally believe in keeping groups seperated by locale, since their taxonomy is always subject to change. I also like to use their former subspecies names to describe the type of collaris in question.
What country are you in?
You could check out Will Wells' site for some good info, and great pictures. http://www.desertreptiles.net/

I hope this helps.
Take Care.
Nick

caro2006 Mar 14, 2010 12:07 PM

Thank you! It's perfect...
I was a little lost!

I live in Switzerland, Europe.
Far far away from where the crotaphytus lives!

See you
Caro.
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Carole

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