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Calparsoni Mar 16, 2010 09:58 PM

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/fl-everglades-python-hunt-031610-20100316,0,1687690.story?track=rss

You've gotta love this one. If they had a picture of this guy holding that axe over a live puppy or a kitten of even a chicken, the slantinels ar buddies would be screaming blue murder. Being half italian and originally from east Utica N.Y. I have to shake my head when I see someone acting like and idiot and noticing their name ends with a vowel. There's a reason for that IROC joke. i mean c'mon he raises balls and he does this stupid crap?????

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Jaykis Mar 16, 2010 10:11 PM

THAT was a 7' Burm???

Mcdowelli76 Mar 16, 2010 10:29 PM

As v
deep as my hatred for PETA runs I would love it if someone could forward this to them. It would be a toss up as to if this could work in our favor but I don't believe it would add to what they are already throwing at us. In my state CA and others the python skin trade is illegal.Also, does anyone have contact info for the douche who claims to breed Balls yet will send others to the slaughter.Real member of the community there.I would ask when feral cat and dog fur will join the harvest since it would cut the import cost of getting it from China but we all know the answer to that one. Maybe my thinking is clouded by the picture as well as the discussion on how long the head lives after being removed(up to 30min) but had to vent a little.

brd Mar 16, 2010 10:43 PM

You can also click on the word link at the bottom and it will take you there.

Hallandale Beach alligator processor turns pythons from the Everglades into leather products
All American Gator, which turns alligators into meat, belts, shoes and wallets, is the closest thing South Florida has to a python-processing plant.

For some Burmese pythons captured in the Everglades, the end of the line is a building in a warehouse district of Hallandale Beach.

All American Gator, which turns alligators into meat, belts, shoes and wallets, is the closest thing South Florida has to a python-processing plant. It was here that Josh Zarmati brought two pythons he caught in the Everglades.

Brian Wood, the company's president, was waiting. He has processed three snakes so far and anticipates more from the state-sanctioned python hunt that started last week and runs through April 17 in sections of the Everglades in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties.

Wood opened a flat plastic container and pulled out a 7-foot python he caught near a levee. He placed the snake on the cement floor as journalists' cameras clicked, allowing the snake to coil around his arm and bite his Kevlar-coated snake-handling boots.

Zarmati, 23, is a snake expert and dealer. He breeds ball pythons — a smaller breed not considered a threat — and sells them from his house in Miami.

After playing with the snake for the cameras, it was time to kill it. They brought it into another room with a slippery wet floor and a long table stacked with skinned alligators that resembled uncooked chickens in color and texture.

As Zarmati held the struggling snake down on a table, Wood raised a hatchet and cut off its head. The top four inches of the snake continued to wriggle, the mouth opening and closing. Asked how long the top half would take to die, Zarmati said, "It can take about 30 minutes."

The recommended method of killing, he said, is to strike the snake on the head. "It takes a bit longer," he said. "You have to hit it just right."

But after watching the writhing head for a few seconds, Woods picked up the axe and used the blunt end to beat it until it stopped moving. "Now it's no half hour," he said. "I didn't like that."

Scott Hardin, exotic species coordinator for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, said so far no hunters had reported catching snakes. But they expected a lag in reporting and hoped more hunters would be out over the weekend.

Wood pays $5 a foot for pythons. He then has his workers skin them, send the hides to a tannery and then processes them into custom-made leather goods.

Wood's retail shop, Exotic Leather Fashions on Polk Street in downtown Hollywood, displays shoes, wallets and belts of alligator and iguana. He has only a few python products, including a $900 pair of python pants that someone ordered and then changed his mind about, and a $2,500 python jacket.

Although the state recommends against consuming meat from pythons taken from the Everglades because of mercury, Wood says he's not worried. He doesn't plan to sell it but will serve it to family and friends.

It's excellent, he said, in a Thai green curry sauce.
Copyright © 2010, South Florida Sun-Sentinel


Josh Zarmati, left, and Brian Wood, owner of All American Gator, prepare to dispatch a 7-foot Burmese python that Zarmati captured. (Josh Ritchie, Sun Sentinel / March 11, 2010)
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jscrick Mar 16, 2010 10:58 PM

Those guys ain't no brain surgeons, now are they!
From what I saw and what was written, looks like they better reread that chapter on the most appropriate method of euthanasia.
Those two sure aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
jsc

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HappyHillbilly Mar 17, 2010 10:15 AM

I agree. I mean..., how bright do ya gotta be to hold the head of a snake for someone else to use a hatchet to chop it off within 4 inches of your hand?

Yepper, a real expert, I tell ya.

Later!
HH
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Lia Mar 17, 2010 10:22 AM

Its to bad how many people even herp keepers are so desperate for attention that they will say/do what the media wants just to get air time.

One is a snake keeper himself .

PHFaust Mar 17, 2010 11:35 AM

>>Those guys ain't no brain surgeons, now are they!
>>From what I saw and what was written, looks like they better reread that chapter on the most appropriate method of euthanasia.
>>Those two sure aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

Oddly enough, American Humane Association (Which is NOT H$U$) stated in the paperwork I got in the euthanasia certification course that beheading is humane in reptiles and a few types of livestock. To euthanize with injection you need to either be a vet or certified to euthanize (CET - Certified Euthanasia Technician) and work in an approved facility. The injection also includes drugs which will make the meat un-usable because of the chemicals. I am not sure if it affects the skins. Also I would like to mention for those at humane societies that are trained in this, the course taken focus' on cat and dog. Euthanizing reptiles is a different ball game. The biggest mistake folks make is not warming the body post injection and fail to properly inject. The chemical merely sedates the animal if you fail to warm it properly.

Now beheading for press is just plain ole tacky and annoying, but just wanted to clarify that. It was done for attention and that is annoying. Personally, I will stick with the injections when needed on my animals, be they personal or rescue.
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HappyHillbilly Mar 17, 2010 11:58 AM

Hi Cindy! How've ya been?

You're right about beheading snakes (but you already know that ). If I remember right, the guideines for those approved to catch/remove the FL pythons states it.

Like you, I saw the story for what it was, a hideous publicity stunt. Gotta love the part where the fella let, or made, the snake bite his boots for the media.

Thanks guys! You two should be real proud!!! I would say that you are both "experts." Although, I consider ya'll to be experts in a different field than you see yourselves in.

Catch ya later!
Mike
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PHFaust Mar 17, 2010 02:22 PM

Aint seen you much! Glad to see you are back among us.

Personally it is hard to say which is more humane from my perspective, as I have only done injection. However when done improperly it is far less fair and proper.

But doing the dance for TV is a shame. This isnt a game, it is peoples lives.
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HappyHillbilly Mar 18, 2010 09:18 AM

Thanks Cindy!

"But doing the dance for TV is a shame. This isnt a game, it is peoples lives.

Maybe they just got caught up in the heat of the moment of a poorly thought-out publicity stunt. The skinner/tanner most likely hadn't stopped to consider the damage he could/would cause the reptile trade & people's personal lives. The Zarmati fella, though, appears to have made conscious decisions and is a repeater of the anti-big snake people's exaggerated talking points. See my "Self Incrimination" post in this thread.

Take care!
Mike
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Calparsoni Mar 18, 2010 12:28 PM

I'll bet he used to keep them himself in pizza ovens converted into snake cages. Probably one of his own that he STILL keeps in pizza oven cages sans permits.

brd Mar 16, 2010 11:45 PM

mavericksdad Mar 17, 2010 08:32 AM

...he said he caught those pythons alive?...I thought they werent supposed to leave the area they were captured alive? It dosent even mention if he was a licensed python hunter or not or since hes been keeping them alive, if he has an ROC permit?...this just made my day go all to hell Im literally sick to my stomach from having read this...cant we do anything (short of showing up at his place of "business" and kicking his ass)this is blatant animal cruelty...
...does USARK know about this?...

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Upscale Mar 17, 2010 08:54 AM

Seems like they could at least refrigerate the snake for a few minutes so it doesn’t know what hits it. And yes, that’s what a wild seven foot python looks like. It isn’t as fat as your typical captive, is it? They don’t eat endangered panthers or school children, they pretty much eat rats. And if we remove them all, we will have lots and lots of rats because we killed all the other snakes first. This barbaric story is the greatest thing yet in the publicized python coverage if you want, as I do, to see them accepted as a beneficial part of the altered food chain in rural south Florida. They would not exist if there were not a place for them. That’s how nature works.

mavericksdad Mar 17, 2010 09:12 AM

...this what they want to do to all our pets...

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jscrick Mar 17, 2010 09:14 AM

The Law of Unintended Consequences does come into play here.
I might be wrong, but I do believe the big Burms dining on Alligators is probably OK. The protection of Alligators has allowed them to recover to the point of being a nuisance in some cases. How many incidences of pets being eaten by Alligators and how many cases of people being killed or maimed by Alligators occur in Florida every year? Again, unintended consequences.
jsc
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jscrick Mar 17, 2010 09:16 AM

Playing God with moralistic good intentions doesn't necessarily guarantee the expected result.
jsc
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Lia Mar 17, 2010 10:18 AM

I dont think its ok at all for big burms to dine on gators but I think from 1 to 10 on Glades danger scale they are a 1 .
Big gators dine on them as do smaller gators on smaller pythons .

The development is what is wiping out much of Floridas wild life esp the growing golf courses.You see them more because so much of their land is being taken by humans.

Than add the cold spells which take out a good chunk of pythons surprised any made it this yr at all and small pythons have lots of predators.

If there wasn't a single python in the glades things would be exactly as they are now with the bulldozers chugging alone "devouring" gators.

And again the toll on the pythons this yr plus all those still dieing must be huge.
Its March and we are still getting nights in low 50s.

jscrick Mar 17, 2010 12:36 PM

I'm not anti-golf, but golf courses do serious environmental damage. I wonder how many golfers are in favor of the python ban? Just a hypothetical.

I'm sure there are plenty of the pretentious wine and cheese crowd for the ban, because it's just the "right" thing to do. Certain members of my own family fit that stereotype. Ethyl Alcohol as a component of Wine and Spirits is a factor in notable mortality and considerable annual social costs.

"He that is without fault cast the first stone."
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

jsc
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Calparsoni Mar 18, 2010 12:48 AM

Not that many actually. A few years ago we had 3 people get nailed within a few weeks time in 3 different areas (one basically just around the corner from my house.). That was a total fluke.Other than that human fatalities are quite rare. Lightning is a much worse killer here. Not so sure on pets they do occasionally get eaten but it's not really on my radar so I don't know about the numbers. There is a saying here in Fl. I won't completely repeat here involving gators dogs and marshmallows among other things. The gist of it is you want to keep your dogs away from the water.

Mcdowelli76 Mar 17, 2010 10:36 PM

So I decided to do a little search on JZ Exotics&Supply. I guess he (Josh Zamarti)has been in biz since july 2009. I couldn't find if he has a permit to hunt the pythons. How would we post this to USARK. I have Andrews email but was wondering if anyone else has already. If Mr. Zamarti would like to defend and explain his actions he is more than welcome.
They would have to cut my head off to get to my pets

Upscale Mar 17, 2010 10:43 PM

Follow up to the story of local python skin dealer beheading live pythons in his shop, FWC says they are to be killed in the field or taken to a vet or research facility. Not decapitated for newspaper stories. PETA says, nah, it's o.k. because he beat the severed head with the ax handle too. Now we know how to treat those feral kittens, thanks PETA!

link

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/fl-python-killing-20100317,0,6260469.story

amazondoc Mar 18, 2010 01:34 AM

>>PETA says, nah, it's o.k. because he beat the severed head with the ax handle too. Now we know how to treat those feral kittens, thanks PETA!

That's not actually what the PETA rep said. Here's what they did say:

"Stephanie Bell, cruelty case manager for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said best method, is to stun the snake or pithe it, that is, scramble its brain immediately with a metal tool. She said Wood did the right thing by whacking it on the head to put it out of its misery."

IOW, the guy screwed up by cutting the head off -- but he decreased the severity of his mistake by crushing the skull. Not that cutting the head off was okay.
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0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

busterlimes Mar 18, 2010 02:22 AM

Feral animal = Feral animal

This is an awful publicity p.o.s. but I see no cruelty to animals in utilizing an invasive animal that would have been euthanized anyway.

Also, wouldn't it be his custom to eat pythons? (no racial pun intended whatsoever, he seems pakistani or indian, he probably lives around people eating cattle and says nothing)

You wouldn't inject something you were about to kill... awful that they show that picture though...

busterlimes Mar 18, 2010 02:25 AM

You wouldn't inject something you were about to Eat^ lol

HappyHillbilly Mar 18, 2010 09:18 AM

Self-Incrimination

Quoted in an August 30, 2009 article - Is Python Hunt Working?

"Zarmati said hunters don't get paid for catching the snakes. The FWC requires hunters to kill snakes on site and record the location where they were found......

...During the four-mile hike Zarmati found a corn snake, even a baby aligator, but not one python.

"It's hit or miss. Sometimes you find them. Sometimes you don't," Zarmati said.

He called it a quits at 1 a.m.

He did the math on the way back. 150,000 snakes. 13 hunters. Only 14 pythons have been caught. And after four hours of hunting, he found zero."

I'm trying to be nice - but I have to say that the fella sure ain't good with mathematical logic. But then again, he's got plenty of company in that camp.

So, let the State of Florida show us one of the reasons there is still a python problem in the Everglades. Will they do the proper thing & revoke this guy's license to hunt pythons? Heck no!!! He'll join others, like the infamous rescue owner that staged the python capture, and get off scot-free.

Mr. Zarmati may well be a good person - I'm not attacking his personal character. With that said, his ulterior motives may or may not show what kind of person he really is. As far as I'm concerned, he can still redeem himself with apologies & repentance.

Just in case the above link doesn't work here's a direct link to the article. www.justnews.com/news/20630645/detail.html

Later!
HH
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HappyHillbilly Mar 18, 2010 09:32 AM

Before I even posted my comments about the State of FL doing the right thing they prove me right.

Snake slaying was improper, wildlife officials say

"The Animal Rights Foundation of Florida, based in Fort Lauderdale, e-mailed the state wildlife commission Wednesday asking if this was the proper procedure. The agency contacted Zarmati and told him to follow the rules next time.

"They didn't want any of the animals — because of the animal rights groups and PETA — to be killed on camera," Zarmati said. "I kind of got into a little bit of trouble."

Keystone Cops

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Calparsoni Mar 18, 2010 12:38 PM

I'm attacking his character. By blood my real last name ends with an O. (long story basically I'm a half italian born in east utica n.y.). Idiots like this give italians a bad name and I'm sick of it. We don't even need to mention what he is doing to us in the reptile community. I hope he chokes on a canoli. freakin' stunad.

amazondoc Mar 18, 2010 12:42 PM

>>freakin' stunad.

Uh-oh, should I keep "stunad" in my "naughty words to remember" toolbox?
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2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

brd Mar 18, 2010 03:01 PM

This is a shame that they can show this kind of stuff.
Link is at the bottom.


The head of a 7 foot Burmese Python lies on the table after it was removed from the reptiles body by Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, and Brian Wood, owner of All American Gator. Zarmati captured the animal as part of the open season hunting on the invasive species and then brought two of the reptiles to All American Gator in Hallandale Beach for processing.

All American Gator worker Daniel Darrientos processes the body of a 7 foot Burmese Python after it was dispatched by Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, and Brian Wood, owner of All American Gator.

The head of a 7 foot Burmese Python is held after it was removed from the reptiles body by Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, and Brian Wood, owner of All American Gator.

Brian Wood, owner of All American Gator shows of some of the products, like a jacket, that can be made out of snake skin at his retail store in Hollywood.. Wood is buying the pythons that hunters are capturing during the open season hunting on the invasive species.

Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, holds a 7 foot Burmese python that he captured as part of the open season hunting on the invasive species. Zarmati brought two of the reptiles to All American Gator in Hallandale Beach for processing.

Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, holds a 7 foot Burmese python that he captured as part of the open season hunting on the invasive species.

A 7 foot Burmese Python reacts to Josh Zarmarti, owner of JZ Exoctics and Supplies, that he captured as part of the open season hunting on the invasive species.
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jscrick Mar 18, 2010 03:28 PM

Wow!!! I can smell the testosterone now. The adrenaline is pumping.
What a tool!!!
jsc
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amazondoc Mar 18, 2010 04:48 PM

>>Wow!!! I can smell the testosterone now. The adrenaline is pumping.
>>What a tool!!!

That's kinda what I was thinking. And what an ass that photographer was, and whatintheheck was the paper THINKING to print those pics?

OTOH, it might even engender some sympathy for the burms. Ya never know.
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Upscale Mar 18, 2010 04:57 PM

If you are sympathetic to the Burms, which I have always tried to be in most of my posts about them, this is gold. GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD. The ones who will be most upset are the officials trying to get them all killed. They are on the ugly side of this one.

By the way, that head doesn’t look like it’s been properly clubbed to mush like they said. This must have been right after the beheading while it was still gasping and alive.
Since all thosee journalist were gathered in a circle, did they insist on an examination of the stomach contents? I wonder if that was saved for “research”?

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