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My male Hypo L.mex.greeri with normal female.
Thank for looking
Václav from Czech

www.lampropeltis.unas.cz

That... is... AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing the picture!
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Aubrey Ross

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Nice,

is that one of the animals you got from me?

BTW, I call them just reduced black, I think the hypos are still different.

Gerrit

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Hallo Gerrit,
Not,this adult male are not for you,but he are also Marita Schulze stock.I know,that you call this greeri reduced black,but he are pure Hypo,and you reduced are also hypo.Hypomelanismus mexicana greeri is diferent than other Lampropeltis.
I send picture one little female from you.
Václav

I agree, the Hypo animals I have seen have a faded black, not a reduced pattern. The reduced black animals seem to be a result of line breeding. Both flavors however are stunning.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

The trait of reduced black is not line bred but recessive as well!

Gerrit
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True Gerrit,
It seems all the reduced black patterned lampropeltis are line bred...They act similar to a co dominant trait when bred to other phenotypes.......

The true Hypo Greeri have reduced melanin pigment....not reduced pattern.
And the true hypo greeri gene is a recessive......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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John,

the reduced black gene isn't line bred but also a recessive trait.
This year I paired those with a light phase female (also recessive) and got just normals. The reduced black animal paired with a het reduced black threw out half of the clutch as reduced blacks.

Gerrit
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>>John,
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>>the reduced black gene isn't line bred but also a recessive trait.
>>This year I paired those with a light phase female (also recessive) and got just normals. The reduced black animal paired with a het reduced black threw out half of the clutch as reduced blacks.

Cool....
So they are both recessive traits (Hypo and reduced black).....

That is interesting.....The reduced black Pyromelana (Applegate Special Pyros) will throw inbetween looking offspring when bred to a "normal" phenotype.......

So....Do you think the offpsring from the light phase and the reduced black are "double hets?"......If so, send me a pair...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Yep, you got it!

the light phase babies look white as hatchlings with black eyes!

Gerrit
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Hello Gerrit,
I must stand by to one´s guns,that my and yours "reduced black greeri" are pure Hypo.You see hypo greeri other breeders in US (dgreptiles.com,greggsrb.com,captivebredtricolors.com,applegatereptiles.com,etc.)All this hypo greeri have black spotteds in points red spots.This is speciality Hypo greeri!
Your Light form L.m.greeri are new color form in Germany and is not compability with Hypo.
Sorry for my bad english languae.
Václav

....and what are the red eyed ones? Superhypo?

What about the posiibilty that the red eyed ones are the light and reduced black morph!

We will see . Interesting stuff anyway!

Gerrit
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>>....and what are the red eyed ones? Superhypo?
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>>What about the posiibilty that the red eyed ones are the light and reduced black morph!
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>>We will see . Interesting stuff anyway!

Yes very interesting....
And I do believe there are different degrees of Hypomelanism in all Lampropeltis......Lavender getula are an example of extreme hypo........Extreme Hypo Hondurans versus regular hypos......

There are also different degrees of Hypoerythrism.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Hi Burnsy,
you are right...hope to see very soon what will hatch!

Vaclav,
If the black pigment is still black then it cannot be a hypomelanistic in my opinion.....
The pigment must be reduced not just the pattern.....

Is an Applegate Special Pyro Hypomelanistic......No just reduced black pattern....

Is this Thayeri hypomelanistic????????

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Gerrit,
I agree with you 100%......

Vaclav,
Very nice Greeri......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Greetings from germany!

Here is a pic of my actual L.mexicana greeri breeding group (1.2)
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it works...thanks Gerrit!

the last posting shows my greeri breeding group 1.2

1.0 extreme hypo(super hypo)
0.1 reduced (lightphase)
0.1 hethypo

this pic shows the eyecolor of the male:

greetings
Michael

VERY Nice Michael!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I would call that a reduced black myself.
This is what I would call a "hypo"
L8r Shannon

>>I would call that a reduced black myself.
>>This is what I would call a "hypo"
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That is my favorite Greeri ever....
Everytime you post that pic I drool.....lol

Remember I want a pair?.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Wondeful grreri Shannon!

what you think about this one?

yours
Michael

That is very nice.I would say its extreme in the sence that its reduced in black.Almost candycane.