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Now that Fl has a new law in place, it seems that my ROC permit will be changing over to a conditional species permit. I have to fill out a biosecurity application detailing my transport methods. What would be the best way to transport a Burm securely? I'm quite certain the Rubbermaid system I've been using would be considered inadequate, lol.

Do you think it would qualify as secure transport if you shoves a burm down charlie Crist's throat and then duct taped his mouth shut. We could march him at gunpoint to the vets office.

Seriously...if I can get this paperwork done in a few weeks it just may save me $100 yearly on the ROC permit fees.

As usual, I'm running behind but wanted to throw somethin' out here for consideration.

Think outside of the box - Burms in tubs, placed in a secured van?

Something I do - I wrap a band of packing tape around the length & width of each tub when I transport them. If I really wanted to be hillbilliesh I'd use baling wire or duct tape. But seriously - they are secured.

Do both of the above and how much more secure can you get?

I'll be thinking about other ways to skin the bureaucats.

Later!
Mike
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well, he's going to a show let's say...at the downtown library or classroom. How can he be secure yet look professional. Zippered army duffel inside secured container?

The application is lovely...describe the drainage/ducts and any opening that could be potent escape venues in your facility (my house).

I have a friend at FWC, but he's a field officer. He's been doing boat duty in the gulf issue so I don't know how "up" he is on the new regs.

"well, he's going to a show let's say...at the downtown library or classroom. How can he be secure yet look professional."

You're asking a hillbilly? Ha! Ha!

My first reply was meant just to satisfy the paperwork on transport, but I understand your point. Just to clarify to everyone else that I'm not quite as much of a hick as I sometimes let on to be, here's what I actually do:
I place my Burms & Retics in a snake bag or burlap bag (depends on size) in which the end is folded & tied. I then place them in tubs and secure the lids with tape. I arrive early enough to allow time for removing tape & sometimes remove snakes from bags, but leave snakes in the tubs. Makes for faster, easier & more professional looking presentations.

The bottom line is that most tubs actually come with a lid that most people consider to be a "secure" lid because it snaps onto the tub. Securring snakes in bags inside of the tubs would be double-secured.

However, I'd almost be willing to bet that in FL's "biosecurity" world, they want to see "lock & key" somewhere. Perhaps a van, cargo trailer, etc, could meet that.

Thank God I don't have to contend with Floridiot Govmt anymore!!!

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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

www.natures-signature.com

From a serious standpoint you may want to consider a custom made wooden box with a hinged lid and a lockable latch. It sounds more difficult than it is and is actually quite easy to construct. You can put 1 to 2 inch wholes in the side and cover them with hardware cloth for ventilation. This is similar to what they require for venomous transport. I still prefer my original idea however, we could make him walk barefoot as well.

I'd make him wade also in the oily water of the soon to be DEAD Gulf of Mexico..SORRY BAST@#RDS
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Tom Crutchfield
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I fear you are right. Could be a VERY long time before things come back to normal, if they ever do. I fear some will NOT recover.
Don't feel most American's have a very good grasp of ecology...the seasonal ebb and flow and the food web. Destroying one link in the chain could cause the whole thing to collapse over time.
Just my opinion.
jsc
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John Crickmer

I doubt they know themselves SO go for overkill. Transport according to venomous requirements [in locked secure container] according to existing regs...thanks
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Tom Crutchfield
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I agree with Tom... go overkill. This is the USARK recommendation for transport: 1) secure containment; for a juvenile this can mean a well taped deli cup. For a sub-adult this could be bagged with a ziptie securing the knot and placed in a well taped rubbermaid type tub. For adults you can place them in a rubbermaid trash can with with screws securing the perimeter of the lid every 5 inches. 2) clearly labeled; label each shipping container with common name, scientific name, number of specimens contained and owners ID info.

... very simple, very secure... better than most zoos and research facilities adhere to.
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USARK

Hey All...transport rules will require double bagging and then placed in a secured/locked..."box" and labelled.

Seems like a lot, but considering worst case scenario...an accident...security is important...especially when non-reptile enthusiasts will probably be responding. These are proactive, responsible measures that we should be doing anyway.

>>Hey All...transport rules will require double bagging and then placed in a secured/locked..."box" and labelled.
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>>Seems like a lot, but considering worst case scenario...an accident...security is important...especially when non-reptile enthusiasts will probably be responding. These are proactive, responsible measures that we should be doing anyway.

Hey Shawn,

Good to "see" to you. I would have loved to join the group at Oakland Preserve last night, but just have been so busy lately.

Would you use the same measures for smaller, nonvenomous, nonnative animals as well?

No worries...everyone is spread thin these days.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to bolster transport protocols for everything if for no other reason than to prevent your beloved animals from being lost.

Since I don't bag anything I never use snap on totes for snakes.
There are a lot of good (secure) boxes out there. Some look like tool boxes. Some seem like foot lockers. Regardless of the manufactures intent they make excellent snake transport boxes.
They have latches and most are capable of being padlocked.
If you're concerned about how snake proof the box is put a 12-14 foot retic in there. If he can't escape, nothing can. D.C.

Thanks, I think the final product is going to be a foot locker from a local retail store that has two flip latches and a center lock. I'm also getting a canvas bag that zips for the inside.

I got to this subject late but I have always used Rubbermaid Action Packers. I just drill some air holes in it for appearance as they are hardly air tight. But they are strong, easy to clean and lockable.
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