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I see some different variations in Albino's. I notice some VPI stuff has nice reds in them then i notice the Bell "type" albinos are more of just a gold color. Was just wondering if there compatible? Probably a stupid question but was wondering.
thanks
Mark

They are not compatilbe
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Thanks Steve. Wasn't a dumb question after all. thanks again

Wow I had no idea there were differn't lines of albinos! Whats the history on the two lines, I thought all albinos were decended from albino egyptions? And why arn't Albinos marked in the differnt lines when offered for sale?

-Steve Tillis
RepTillisHerps.com

They are sold differently.
VPI line albinos are paradox albinos. Bell line albinos were made with the egyptions.
There are different looking Bell line albinos out there as well, these different looks are the cause of different lines of normals bred in and selective breeding.
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

There is also the difference in a yellow and an orange phase albino. The egyptian has been so integrated into "kenyans" that I don't know if there is much of a difference in captive collections anymore.

Here is a pic of a nice high orange albino (Bell Line) that I actually purchased from VPI about 2 years ago.

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Travis Rose
0.1 Normal Kenyan
2.3 High Orange Kenyans
0.2 High Orange Albino Kenyans
0.1 Anery Kenyan
1.2 High White Anery Kenyans
1.1 Yellow Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Albino Kenyan
2.3 Rough Scale Sand Boas
1.2 Indian sand boas
X.X Nervous Rats
X.X Paranoid Mice
0.3 Dogs
0.2 Cats
X.X Fish
0.1 Very understanding wife
2.0 Future Snake Lovers

Here are two of her babies when bred to an anery male this year.

Don't know what is going on with the light colored one yet. I'll be breeding him ASAP to see if he passes that look along. 2 of the litter had it. About 1/2 of the litter was yellow and the other half orange phase.

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Travis Rose
0.1 Normal Kenyan
2.3 High Orange Kenyans
0.2 High Orange Albino Kenyans
0.1 Anery Kenyan
1.2 High White Anery Kenyans
1.1 Yellow Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Albino Kenyan
2.3 Rough Scale Sand Boas
1.2 Indian sand boas
X.X Nervous Rats
X.X Paranoid Mice
0.3 Dogs
0.2 Cats
X.X Fish
0.1 Very understanding wife
2.0 Future Snake Lovers

Its pretty interesting that both the mom albino and some of her babies have the red tipping. Are any of her offspring with the red tipping male? Even if its not a simple genetics thing you could probably line-breed them since it seems to be at least partly heritable. And pretty cool to boot!

Vinny
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That's a beautiful albino. I knew the paradox and regular albinos weren't compatible. But I was wondering if there was an actual difference in normal albinos. I've seen such different variations that it had me thinking. Thanks guys.
Mark

You have the same variation in albinos as you do in normals. Some will have remarkibly high contrast orange, while others will be much more drab. Since the "normal albinos" came from egyptian stock, most are yellow albinos. Pretty, but they lack the contrast that an orange phase albino shows.

To me, it seems that the big rush was to create albinos, then snows. It doesn't really matter what the albino looks like to create snows, so noone cared as much. Its only in the last few years that I've noticed that people are really refining the "normal albinos" to be high orange/high contrast.

Not all paradoxes are high contrast either. I've got one that the orange is quite muted. She's in the pic with a paradox snow and a regular snow. I like the amount of black she shows, but if she were a normal albino, I'd probably pass on adding her to my breeding pool.

I seem to be the oddball out. My favorite phase is a high orange normal. Next is a high orange albino. The rest are pretty even.

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Travis Rose
0.1 Normal Kenyan
2.3 High Orange Kenyans
0.2 High Orange Albino Kenyans
0.1 Anery Kenyan
1.2 High White Anery Kenyans
1.1 Yellow Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Albino Kenyan
2.3 Rough Scale Sand Boas
1.2 Indian sand boas
X.X Nervous Rats
X.X Paranoid Mice
0.3 Dogs
0.2 Cats
X.X Fish
0.1 Very understanding wife
2.0 Future Snake Lovers

My favorite morph is not real morph at all. There is just something about a nice orange normal that I love, then come the paradoxes. I'm a geneticist so the paradox of the genetic basis of the paradoxes is just too cool (and a mouth full apparently)!

Best
Viny

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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Oh I missunderstood you guys. I thought you were saying there were 2 strains of the normal albino. I knew the paradox and regular albinos are seperate. I have a high orange female bell albino, shes one of my favorites and currently gravid by my rufescens.
-Steve Tillis
RepTillisHerps.com

Have you ever bred this female to another albino or het albino?
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Not yet. She's only bred the once. I don't have a nice male albino to hook up with her at the moment. I do have a couple nice het albinos coming up though.

If I give her next year off, they will be ready for her in 2012. Just about every scale she has is dipped in orange. Can't wait to see how the babies turn out.

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Travis Rose
0.1 Normal Kenyan
2.3 High Orange Kenyans
0.2 High Orange Albino Kenyans
0.1 Anery Kenyan
1.2 High White Anery Kenyans
1.1 Yellow Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Snow Kenyan
0.1 Paradox Albino Kenyan
2.3 Rough Scale Sand Boas
1.2 Indian sand boas
X.X Nervous Rats
X.X Paranoid Mice
0.3 Dogs
0.2 Cats
X.X Fish
0.1 Very understanding wife
2.0 Future Snake Lovers