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Does anyone know if hybridized crocs are still consider by USFWS as non-endangered?
Looking to find out if a permit is needed for trans over state lines. thx!

Its a iffy thing, they give differant answers all the time.

I have the USFWS PDF files that seem to dictate current policy, I can send them to you if you need them.
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Great Lakes Zoological

Permits for Non-native Species or Import and Export
of Non-native and Native Species (dated 2002)

Hybrids of animals or plants bred or propagated in captivity that
result from one listed parent and one non-listed parent are exempt from the requirements of the Act. All other hybrids that
involve crosses of listed species or subspecies are covered by the Act. Where an animal or plant is listed at the species level,
every member of that species is protected under the Act, whether
the specimen is identifiable as a member of a particular
subspecies, and whether the animal or plant has parents of two different subspecies. For example, tigers are listed at the species level, so offspring of two different subspecies of tigers are protected by the Act. The Service considers the intentional hybridization of captive endangered or threatened
species as contrary to the purposes of the Act, unless current science shows that cross breeding is necessary to keep genetically viable populations. It is recommended that breeding records be maintained to show parentage andhybrid status. Other laws such as the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) and CITES consider hybrids protected.
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Great Lakes Zoological

Permits for Native Species (dated 2006)

Hybrids are offspring of animals or plants where each parent is from a different species/subspecies and where at least one parent is listed under the ESA. Hybrid offspring of animals bred or propagated in captivity are not protected by the ESA. It is recommended that breeding records be maintained to show parentage and hybrid status. Other laws such as the Migratory Bird Treaty Act(MBTA) and CITES consider hybrids protected.
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Great Lakes Zoological

If your talking about that porosus x niloticus in the classifieds, it should be fine ... Niles are threatened with special rules allowing interstate commerce ... According to USFWS (there records anyway) all Porosus in the USA originated from non endangered appendix 1 populations and they are not regulated by the ESA.

Verify it with Mike Carpenter at USFWS, thats what he told me about Salties i the USA, he also told me that he doesnt allow porosus to be added to CBW permits because of this fact.
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Great Lakes Zoological

Many thanks-

I agree with this and have been told the same years ago when I was going to apply for a CBW permit to acquire a few porosus. I forget who was in charge then, maybe the fellow you mention, but he said I didn't need to bother with a CBW permit. This has been confirmed by a few dealers in FL as well. I see salts for sale in the classifieds as Fl sales only though. I can see where people can get confused.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

I'm not aware that USFWS regulates the interstate transport of these animals. They deal with the import/export end.
If by stevetpabay means you live in FL, you will need a class I permit and a minimum of 5 acres of land for your facility if you don't already have these.
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